Return of the Jedi fucking sucks dick and is one of the worst Star Wars movies ever made

Return of the Jedi fucking sucks dick and is one of the worst Star Wars movies ever made

Star Wars sucks. Stop watching it, stop discussing it.

Nah, it's easily top three

There are disney shill threads

meanwhile 20 years later

Reason why two Death Stars is besides Lucas original script for Star Wars was over 300 pages. He realized he needed to break it up and stuck the ending of it with Death Star being blown up at the end of New Hope because not having it blow up in the first movie he anticlimactic and there was a good chance we time the movie bomb and he would never finish it. There were no trilogy series back then like LOTR. Each movie had to pretty much stand on its own. Originally Death Star was only suppose to blow up once at the end be of the series

Star Wars is stupid

what was the original climax then of new hope?

Lucas haters are MovieBob tier.

That thread was epic

You couldn’t have a man-made object as big as Starkiller Base and arguably the Death Stars unless it’s 99% completely solid rock / metal, they would collapse under their own mass from gravitational forces.

can be used only once

I wouldn't say it sucks completely. It's the worst of the original three, but there were some good parts to RotJ, like the throne room scenes. it's still better than anything released after it.

If Empire Strikes Back is a 4.5/5, then RotJ is a solid 3/5. Better than most of Star Wars.

meanwhile was actually also just here the whole time or something

The Death Star is only about 80 miles wide and most of it is filled with air.

Doesn't matter, the nuDeath Star is OC Donut Steel level. Not only can it destroy a planet, it can do multiple at once, across the entire galaxy since JJ is utterly void of any understanding of distances in fucking space.

RotJ is peak 80s movie slop

Retard.

how did it split
why could they see it before it actually reached them

Why the hell are there so many planets so close to each other?

I will never understand how JJ is so fucking stupid when it comes to space. The average middle school student understands that space is really big and mostly empty.

We already see the beam split a little bit when it comes out of the muzzle, then when it's in the Totally-Not-Coruscant system, it's just one beam again that suddenly splits.

Luke's confrontation with the Emperor on the Death Star makes it one of the best movies in the whole saga regardless of what you feel about the kiddy stuff with the ewoks and jabbas band etc.

Disable the weapon system and spend empire strikes back in a slow as fuck space chase

That anon was having an Anakin moment

Once you realize how fucking big space is minute you realize aliens aren’t flying around in propulsion ships and neither would we in some far off future. It we do be closer to Dune where you fold space or wormholes or some dimensional shit

the small ones are moons

why was the Rebel Alliance more confident about destroying a half-completed Death Star (that they were misled into believing wasn't even operational) when they had successfully destroyed a fully completed one with shocking ease four years earlier

Hot damn, it's almost as if the image of the Empire invincibility was shattered by the loss of the first one and they had been on the backfoot ever since.

The British make a huge deal out of sinking the Bismarck but the destruction of the Tirpitz (an identical warship) is barely a footnote.

You also can't suck and compress a star into the size of a planet, while maintaining normal gravity on the surface of that planet.
You also can't have laser blasts that travel slower than sound.
You also can't travel faster than light.
You also can't have sound in space.
You also can't view individual planets with the naked eye when you are in another solar system.
You also can't have flat black holes that look like water draining into a sink instead of being spherical.
You also can't have The Force and anything connected to it.

Star Wars is fantasy that has never really obeyed any physical rules

it's a planet with a trench carved in it
also naboo is hollow and filled with water our rules don't apply

Wouldn't all the atmosphere fall into the canyon?

how did it split

why could they see it before it actually reached them

Once Disney realized how retarded this scene was they had to retcon it later in a lore book by saying starkiller base has some magic crystal thing that can bend space time. The first order specifically made it visible so the entire galaxy could see it.

Yes I’m serious

They were somehow able to shoot the beams through hyperspace, which for some reason also made it so everybody could see it across the galaxy.
Even with it also being busted as fuck, the Holdo Manuever was an attempt at restoring sanity to hyperspace compared to JJ's bullshit.

Star Wars can control gravity as demonstrate by their tractor beams, floating aircraft, and people walking around like normal inside the Falcon & Star Destroyers

Starkiller Base was the sacred Jedi lightsaber crystal planet Ilum. The Empire stripmined it for crystals to build the Death Star laser and left the giant trench and then the LARPers decided to stick a big gun in the trench powered by whatever crystals were still left in the planet core.

Having a second Death Star be was built in a fraction of the time as the first one makes perfect sense from an industrial standpoint.

The original required enormous amounts of trial and error as well as building up the infrastructure needed to build the infrastructure to build damn thing (i.e. in order build the shipyard to make a ship, you first need to build the factory needed to make infrastructure said shipyard). Since the first Death Star was lost within days of its commissioning into active service, all of this infrastructure was still intact and the Emperor just placed an order for a new one.

what was the original climax then of new hope?

These 25 seconds

youtu.be/aHQrcyerVQQ?si=GjrBIMv56bW4978h&t=485

this shit really does not get enough hate

dark energy translations and hyperspace tunneling

duh

The second death star made sense because it was never meant to be fully completed, nor even be anywhere near operational, it's meant as a trap the rebels could not refuse. They think they discovered a top secret so they'd throw all their forces at it to destroy it before it's finished and give the Empire a giant black eye. All Sheev needed was the shell and the laser working. You fucking retards can't even understand such a simple children's movie even when they explained all of this on scren.

There’s literally a retarded scene in TFA where they compare the size of the death stars to starkiller and its not even close to that big.
I remember it specifically because the scene was really fucking stupid

Based prequel bros STILL making the autistic incels of RLM fandom seethe

I think it's quite funny that we're now getting this deeply mysterious, ominous, and terrifying build up to Snoke in The Force Awakens and then in Rise of the Skywalker there's just Palpatine somehow returned 1 year later.

Yeah. It was a proto-prequel. It's the least lik3d of the original trilogy.

This bullshit is when I officially gave up on nu-wars. One of the absolute dumbest things I've ever paid to see in a packed cinema.

funny how OP wanted to shit on OT/PT and everyone just talks how stupid ST was

You fucking retards can't even understand such a simple children's movie even when they explained all of this on scren.

Oh I understood it, I was merely refuting the claim that "YoU cAnT bUiLd It ThAt QuIcK" which is peak brainlet if you know anything about the shipbuilding industry. The lead ship of any class always takes the longest to build and everything after that is considerably faster and cheaper. The first Liberty ship built in 1941 took around 244 days to complete from keel-laying to launch. By 1943, they had shaved that process down to an average of 39 days.

Guess that is why to this day it has still yet to turn a profit

There's also the fact that droids would make construction much faster.

Nobody mentioned RLM, schizo.

If you grew up with Star Wars and you were in the theater and a child and got to grow up woth the magic of it from 77 to today, you are fucking retard and no one should ever listen to your opinion on Star Wars. The GenXers who grew up with it have the most dogshit takes and taste imaginable. They have never given a good suggestion. Star Wars is never good EXCEPT when it pisses off GenXers. They piss their pants and cry like little bitches of Star Wars dares to do anything new, unaware that the best Star Wars is all in video games and books made in the 2000s.

Fuck 'Muh Mythic Story', if you want LoTR in space then do KOTOR already. If not, then stfu and adapt one thing about SW and literally nothing else for each show. Andor showed how kino that is and, more importanly, how fucking retarded and incompetent anyone who disagrees is. Make a podracing show in the vein of Redline. Make a show about Republic Commando. Make a show showing me other shit in the universe and don't have it devolve into gay ass 'Jedi vs Sith' as the central conflict over and fucking over again. That story is all foreplay now. We've seen Jedi vs Sith. The onky place left to take it is armies of Jedi fighting armies of Sith, something every faggot new film references but STILL HASN'T SHOWN US. Show it or shut up about it. If it isn't tied to KOTOR, then I don't ever want to see a fucking Jedi ever again. Seriously, how many of these fucking faggots survived Order 66?

You'd think with all the infinite energy and resources everyone seems to have in Star Wars that someone would've discovered the magic of orbital bombardment and nuclear weapons at some point instead of building planetary scale warships with a single big ass cannon

You got it backwards, retard. Disney Star Wars (including TRANDOR) sucks balls and doesn't matter. ROTJ is kino. Just stop watching disney slop.

Main complaint is they had another Death Star and people think just Lucas trucking the first movie. When in fact entire series was suppose to end with the first Death Star blowing up. New Hope would’ve just ended with them escaping the Death Star with the plans. Second part would’ve been implementing them. Solo is the one that originally blows up the Death Star while Luke is off fighting Vader to get revenge on him killing his dad and Obi Wan. They hadn’t made Vader Anakin yet.

Andor

Stopped reading there.

oh the dissonance

Return of the Jedi fucking sucks dick

Exactly, it doesn't compare to the KINO they are putting out today

The best part is that everyone sucks it off while people like you who 'know better' are shat on and blamed for the sequel trilogy.

Cope faggot. Andor is so kino that it's best arc revolves around a guy named Kino.

CHICKEN JOCKEY GUY IS IN STAR WARS?

Unironically, why is this stupid and the second death star not?

It's so baffling how it zooms in on that one lady in particular. I've heard that there was an entire plotline with her that was cut, where she was an ambassador trying to negotiate a peace deal with the First Order or something like that. So the audience has a personal connection to the unnamed planets getting annihilated.

But as it stands, we watch planets we've never seen before, with no names, and it zooms in on one character like we're supposed to know her. Even at the time when I was still enjoying the movie in the theaters, this stuck out to me as being very odd.

You are not fooling anyone.

If you have to ask that, you're beyond saving.

Star Wars is never good EXCEPT when it pisses off GenXers. They piss their pants and cry like little bitches of Star Wars dares to do anything new,

People didn't hate the Prequels because it they were "new," they were hated because they have shit dialogue, boring characters, and the central conspiracy is fuck-obvious.

The explanation is that Exegol was populated by millions of "Sith cultists" who spent most of the last ~30 years constructing star destroyers beneath the planet's surface.
It's stupid but at least it's not like

The Dark Side can magically grow star destroyers or summon them out of nowhere

or whatever

The Death Star in RotJ had another function and role within the plot than the one in ANH. Are you retarded enough that you can’t even understand Star Wars, OP?

Based retard arguing physics in an universe where greater that speed of light travel is posible

Well yeah, can't have Space Politics in Star Wars or else it'll trigger the Gen Xers

If you can't answer than you've lost the argument

Not wasting any more time on you. This will be your last (you) from me. Spend it wisely.

maybe if Jabbas Palace wasn't peak aesthetic and the final showdown with Vader wasn't the single best scene in all of star wars

There's a dozen or so reasons why Starkiller Base is stupid.
A more glaring one for me is that the First Order is smaller than the Empire, controls a much smaller piece of galactic territory and therefore has fewer resources and manpower, and yet they somehow are able to construct a weapon much bigger and more powerful than the Death Stars

NO MUH MOVIE CAN'T HAVE DONE SOMETHING STUPID!

HOW DARE YOU POINT OUT THAT ROTJ HAS A PLOTPOINT AS STUPID AS TFA!

Stop wasting your time on the mental defective.

First rule of Empire spending:
Why build one when you can have two at twice the price?

There's a dozen reasons why a second death star is stupid too. I'm sick of pretending like the second death star is not stupid especially after Starkiller base was rightly shit on for doing the exact same thing.

The text scroll for the rise of skywalker was just pure gold like Palpatine himself was shitposting.

take like 10+ years to build first one

work out the bugs, get manufacturing processes up and running

4 years to build 80% of a new one

Seems perfectly fine to me.
And surely the MKII was started even before the battle of Yavin. Nothing keeps the fear going like a new model every couple of years.

Look the more you think about the 3 sequel trilogy movies and their inconsistencies between each other, the previous movies, and just the established canon up til that time will give you nothing but a potential brain aneurism.

Don't ever overthink the ST just wallow in the retardation

Starkiller Base is retarded and its introduction marked the point I stopped caring about the sequel, but caring about real science in SW is stupid and makes sequel detractors look like basement dwelling nitpickers. Stop it.

Has Disney or Lucas for the matter ever nailed down just how long it took to build the death star?

Palpatine has the plans by end of Ep2

frame work is being commissioned at some point shortly after Ep3

finally finished at end of Rogue One/Ep4

time between 3 and 4 is 19 years

Only other concrete known is almost all prison labor by the Empire was used to build parts

Other anon raised good point

need to build the factories

need to build the shipyards then

need to conquer certain races and planets to use as slave labour and set up resource stripping

The factories, shipyards, slaves, and extraction apparatus all existed by the time number two was commissioned

Yet you're ignoring thr 2nd death star was over twice the size of the first. Meaning it was eight times the mass and built in a whole new location. I don't care how much infrastructure you have that scaling isn't magically overcome.

The entire conflict between the jedi and Luke is ignored by OT fellating "fans" and as such the entire story framework of starwars (and especially the prequels) remain impenetrable to them.

If you ignore Luke's struggle and what he wants to do, and ignore the explicit mission that Yoda and Obiwan give him, then you won't understand what Lucas was going for within the prequels.

What Yoda essentially is doing, is training Luke to be a guided missile against the Sith. He's literally all he has left. The goal is to destroy the Sith but leave zero legacy behind.

Luke, instead, opts to disobey a direct command, instead seeking to redeem his father, considered irredeemably evil and beyond saving.

The struggle to do so proves the Jedi are wrong, and have always been fallible.
This in turn sets up the story of the prequels, where we can see jedi with a hint of understanding (Quigon), but also what they truly represent in their prime.

And what that is, is lust for power, myopic ideas on what their mission is, an ossified institution that has burrowed into the Republican power structure like a tick, one that is used for political strong-arming and war.

The entire edifice was already rotten from the start, and it couldn't handle the complex situation of Anakin being the chosen one, or Palpatine's machinations.

I don't really understand what movies prequel haters watch, but it ain't the OT, or the PT.

ugly black chick zoom in

now THIS is star wars

Qui-gon was always a fucking retard and Anakin would have fallen to the dark side under his teachings as well

buh buh my wis old sage

He trained Obi-wan and see how well that worked out.

Imagine having to parallel park this

they were hated because they have shit dialogue

The dialogue is great.

boring characters

The characters are so interesting that even side characters are memorable

and the central conspiracy is fuck-obvious.

Geez, it's almost like being the audience and seeing every detail as well as knowing how it ends kinda takes away the surprise.
You're a retard.

This faggot again

Oh shut the fuck up. You didn't even remember that Obi-Wan told the Jedi order he tracked Jango to Kamino, that he was Padme's assassin, that he was the basis for the clones, found out Sifo-Dias ordered the clones, and that Jango was working for Dooku and the seperatists

one of the worst

it's the worst of the OT but it still MOGs everything else except *maybe* Attack of the Clones and Rogue One. And even that's a maybe.

Rogue One good

Hahaha

AOTC good

Holy shit now I know you're joking

I always got what Lucas was going for but it was poorly executed. Lucas is a great idea guy but needed someone to refine the concept. Instead of scenes of Anakin whining about shit not being fair, we needed real scenes of unrelated expectations being a Jedi. Like Jedi council telling Anakin they heard rumors he’s with Padame and if the rumors are true he will be cast out. We never got any real sense of threat outside maybe a scolding by the council. Take Braveheart where had scene is English taking newly Bride away to have his way with her. Makes Wallace’s secret wedding more real

Yes, that is how production works. Especially if you go with the canon that he was mass producing them.

Obiwan was a council stooge since the beginning. He was never happy with how Quigon acted. Backtalking him since the literal opening scene.

Quigon is the outlier, is the point. If you're on team Yoda, then you're ultimately against what Luke is doing, and the entire idea behind the Prequels.

The republic falling is then thought to be a sort of anomaly, and not due to the propensity toward dark side thinking of the Jedi council.

Yoda is dark side influenced throughout the entirety of AOTC for example. He's constantly doubting, being clouded by fear and insecurity, and gets perfectly manipulated into doing what Sidious wants, with no real input from the dark forces beyond presenting a dilemma.

They are useless. Luke exposes them perfectly in ROTJ, and while the movie is weak at points, the finale makes up for it.

Imo its not that Anakin is being pressured with genuine blowback. Its more that he feels apart, even though he honestly and wholeheartedly has internalized the Jedi code.

He feels the Jedi themselves do not follow the code as they should. He feels heavy pangs of guilt due to killing Dooku, yet Mace is about to kill his mentor and commander in chief (Palpatine).

They use him in the war, since he's fuckint amazing at war, but can't seem to give him his dues. Already in AOTC we see Obiwan sandbagging him, even though his reactions are a step faster. Obiwan resorts to fairly childish one-upmanship to level the field, going as far as berating him in front of others.

We can imagine his entire existence in the order is like this. Its easy to see him eventually souring.

Still, he's loyal enough that he turns Palpatine in, but then is denied following to arrest him, even though he's likely the most experienced swordsman and has personally killed a Sith Lord. They simply don't trust him, and never will.

wtf is it really that bad? So they could have built a fleet of 100 Death Stars instead.

I liked one of the EU storylines that went the opposite direction and went with just a star destroyer (big but still smaller than the Death Star), and gave it a weaker superlaser. IIRC they explained that the original Death Star was overkill because you don't need to turn the planet into dust, a much weaker shot would still cause enough damage to wipe out all life.

Obiwan was a council stooge since the beginning.

Wow, almost like Qui-gon sucks at fucking teaching. If he couldn't get his philosophy through to Obi-wan who was his primary apprentice what makes you think Anakin would do any better?

I can not believe Classic Doctor Who still understands space better than fucking JJ

There's many different sources of knowledge in the jedi, as with any other institution.
Quigon isn't even the primary teacher of Obiwan, it's more like Obi is getting job training under him, while having had his primary education under Yoda.

Obiwan thinks his mentor has weird ideas, that do not gel with the current mode of thought that is popular and in control. Many such cases. I can't get through to my coworkers either, sometimes.

As I said, he's the council's top guy. A stooge. He rose fast. Quigon wasn't even a master jedi.

I don't mind the idea of mounting a weapon capable of destroying planets from distances the Starkiller Base does on a planet, but to have the resources and logistics involved to create such a weapon implies a level of sophistication beyond anything in the movies and even stupid EU shit like the Epsilon or Sunkiller or whatever. To me using an already existing planetary body for a Death Star weapon makes more sense than building one if you can fire from any distance, but then you have making that equatorial ring to the planet's core, manning every station, providing energy to get to a sun to eat, teams to calculate trajectories, etc. etc. The logistics of the Death Star 1 and 2 already defy imagining when you get down to just getting food to it or a power outage. Then take it times ten and it's just stupid. It makes it impossible to care about any victory the heroes get if they can just whip one of these out in secrecy.

The main super structure of the death star was mostly completed by the end of the clone wars. The subsequent 20 years was spent gathering kyber crystals and Galen Erso stonewalling completion of the kyber laser.

Quigon isn't even the primary teacher of Obiwan

Where are you getting this information. That is never implied in any of the films

Obiwan thinks his mentor has weird ideas, that do not gel with the current mode of thought that is popular and in control

How does that negate the concept of Qui-gon being a shit teacher, if anything it strengthens it.

Quigon wasn't even a master jedi.

The dude was offered a spot on the Jedi Council, Obi-wan even says this. He was obviously a master even if he wasn't on the council. You don't need to be on the council to be a master.

No, they designed tech too, that's what the Battle Droids are, robots built in their own bugman image.

1. The Saturn Vs were built in conjunction with one another
2. The Sarurn Vs were all built to the same specifications
3. The Saturn Vs were all built in the same location
4. The Saturn Vs weren't destroyed by the KGB before they could be fully uitlized

1. Nothing says they didn't start building the second death star before the first one was completed
2. The DS2 is only larger. It's otherwise the same
3. Point. But will say the Empire built both of them (technically they built 3 in legends)
4. DS1 was fully operational, tested, and proved effective. Multiple times if you count rogue 1.

Nothing says they didn't start building the second death star before the first one was completed

Except thebfact it had completely different specs

The DS2 is only larger

It was redesigned with microscopic exhaust vents running the entire station, fired at a hire rate, and had a more powerful laser.

DS1 was fully operational, tested, and proved effective. Multiple times if you count rogue 1.

The second death star was somehow fully operational and proved Effective in the battle of Endor.
No one should count that piece of shit Rogue One.

it's the heart of the entire franchise and the criticism in the picture is preposterous

He totally would be able to. He'd at least get a better pep talk than whatever dross Yoda was able to mumble at him when he was desperate in 3.

Having a guy already at odds with the council stick around and tell another side to the story would have also worked against Palpatine's plans

yeah why would someone attempt to build a second atomic bomb if the first one got destroyed prematurely. why hasnt it been a one-off event?
what an awful movie!
Anon Babble is full of legit retards

Geonosians are extremely productive industrialists. Them being half naked bugmen is just their culture, but they're clearly portrayed as the primary engine behind CIS military expansion.

somehow you're missing the point of science-fiction

It's a planet destroying space station that moves around, why would they only build one?

The death star is the space planet destroying equivalent of a nuclear submarine. They would need at least a few of them, even for redundancy purposes.

Where as Star destroyers are just aircraft carriers that house TIE fighters.

yoda -unlike ben- never tells luke to fight his father. he says he needs to confront him, nothing more.
see, that's a movie worth talking about unlike anything in the prequels.

retarded. maybe this was the original death star and turned out too big so then the went for a smaller one while concurrently building the bigger one
anyway all of this goes beyond the concerns of science-fiction

correct. the OT is about an era where there is a new massive development in space warfare: the invention of the planet-busting death stars

Bull shit the dude couldn't train obiwan out of a paper bag and his own master was a retard that joined Palpatine. Shit dude Qui-Gon probably would have joined Dooku and brought Anakin with him

The dialogue is great.

No it isn't. It's remembered for being fuck-awful, like "I hate sand."

The characters are so interesting that even side characters are memorable

Bullshit, those are just Glup Shittos from the EU.

Literally yes, Lucas modeled the naval ships off of real world class ships. The death star is a stand off nuke launching vessel.

Instead of countries, it destroys planets. Sorry if this is 2 big brained 4 U

Reminder that canonically he has the highest kill count in the entire franchise.

Qui-gon would have probably just went to Palpatine and killed him (or at least tried to) if he didn't die in the Phantom Menace. He didn't care much for Jedi politics and went against the Council's decisions multiple times.

Why do people assume construction of the second Death Star only began after ANH? It seemed to me that near the end of the project, once all the kinks had been worked it, it would be time to start building another.

planet is 1 light year away

have the ability to travel faster than light/warp speed

don't warn the people on the planet that a giant lazer will hit them in 1 year

HACK

The most emotional and dramatic moments of the franchise are in this movie.