Who's winning?

Superman since Morrison ensured his power was limitless.

clark would wanna help the guy out

is marvel really about to buy DC? that somehow feels wrong, like coke buying pepsi or mcdick buying burger king or kfc. like, aren't some anti-monopoly laws supposed to kick in at that point or something.

Marvel buying DC wouldn't change which media companies owned the rights to make DC movies.
just like how Sony can still make Spiderman and Venom films.

Who needs DC? It's almost entirely carried by Batman.

Whoever decided all superhero costumes require those ugly, busy lines all over them should be shot.

LOOK AT ALL THESE ARBITRARY LINES ALL OVER OUR COSTUMES, WE BOTH HAVE THEM SOMEHOW

Marvel and DC together only make 40% percent of comic sales. They aren't a monopoly.

It's the motorcycle suit school of costume design.
I have no idea how it won.

depthful and compellant

I can't decide if it's better or worse than the "everybody wears dark leather" school of costume design from the early-mid 2000s. You still have traces of that today, though. Look at Thunderbolts. The only character not in black aside from Sentry is Red Guardian and even his suit is more muted than the one he wore in BW.

lol, DCfags are so bitter they lost the war to Marvel. y'all had a headstart too. fucking failures.

lmao this
I dig the character too much to actually go on a tirade about it, but it's way past its time

Who's else is out there? Or it's just a bunch of literally who's making the remaining 60%?

superman wins by giving sentry an inspiring speech

Scholastic, Image and manga. Even if Disney buys DC, it won't help them much.

Scholastic

Never heard of them tbqh, but then again I don't really read comics.

Image

Oh right. That makes sense.

Manga

Didn't know they entered those stats, good to know.
Thanks.

Viz Media, Yen Press and Kodansha are some publishers who publish Manga in the West

Scholastic is children’s books and shit

kek, i thought image was like the prestige division of dc, the lexus to their toyota
for the past five minutes i've been trying to find out why i thought that and i think i might have been confusing them with vertigo

with sentry it could work in-universe to look soulless corporate slop, since it was designed by one. still looks shit.

here is quick shoop of removing the lines.

Goku

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Clark would use his genius IQ and create an anti depressant for Bob. Or a waifu bot to keep him calm.

this arc was very fun. But he still didn't need to go in black face. Just wear a mask.

And I'd kill him with a Kryptonite bullet. The smartest alien on the planet is still a little bitch to a man with a gun.

now give him a bigger bulge

Sentry would turn Superman into a stain of the curb before he could even react, let alone think of a plan.

Naw, Clark, or as I call him Kal-El, would sigh and send him to the phantomzone and just forget about helping.

Who cares, Batman solos both at the same time.
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Superman wins quite easily. A better match up would’ve been Thor.

Superman is definitely bigger, he wins by default

Gunn Superman is gonna be pretty weak, but Cavill Superman takes it mid diff, Reeves Superman takes it low diff and most likely just solos the MCU

Comic Superman gets raped by Comic Sentry tho, but personally I don’t think it’d be easy since he’s been beaten by base Thor and Hulk more then once

do the depthful sir

stain of the curb

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Superman wins quite easily. A better match up would’ve been Thor.

You know that the Sentry can punch Thor's arm clean off, right? Superman is no match for him.

Thor is kinda dumb but he does have magic on his side plus destiny. He can't die until Ragnarok.

I no longer understand Sentry’s powerscaling. He lost to Banner in world war hulk, but Thor beat that very same Hulk quite easily.

Both the Sentry and Hulk weren't even at full power in WWH.

don't be such a size queen

Snyder won

It's not even close.

B-but the power of 1 million exploding suns!

Sentry never shows this level of power, it's just hype.

CHADtry.

That's what makes him interesting though, doesn't it? I'm not like these sexless virgins shipping Pugh-try (Sent-pugh?), but his character is all about falseness. He doesn't even know who he's supposed to be.

I mean, the Void did BTFO Molecule man who can do much crazier shit.

We don't know how strong Gunn's Superman is yet.

More like Pussy Repellent

This

And Sentry ripped Carnage in half in outer space. They try too hard with this guy.

That said, I fucking love Superboy Prime. I've never even bought a comic book, just steal my buddy's shit if it looks cool. SP had an issue where he went to alternative universes and just fucking murdered heroes if they didn't measure up to what his idea of a superhero was.

Superheroes are dumb now.

Idk, most superheroes I know of have above average intelligence. Batman for example can beat anybody just because he's smart.

there are various versions of comic superman that make sentry look like a baby

Sentry was a great idea if they had left him a one-shot story.

jeet much?

Senry can manipulate matter and shit, basically uses magic and able to will himself back from nothing, on top of everything Superman can do.
Sentry wins.

Thor has only beaten Sentry when Sentry asked him for assisted suicide. He got tossed into the sun and it didn't permanently kill him, because he kept regenerating from a single atom.
youtube.com/watch?v=W0F7T9TpIVU

Well, lets math this out. Sentry goes depression mode and creates an expanding zone of darkness that instantly poofs anyone who comes into contract with it into a psychic dreamspace. Sentry can also do this from a distance just by looking at them.

There's realistically no way Clark gets out of that situations without getting shadow-zoned. And I don't really see any way he gets out of there without just repeating what the Thunderbolds did, which is an uphill battle because Bob doesn't know or care who Superman is so he has no grounds for an emotional appeal that Bob would actually listen to in the first place.
Once he's been shadow zoned, Superman's incredible strength and speed means absolutely nothing. He can fly through as many walls as he wants, he's always going to be in the same room.

Sentry would try throwing Superman into the sun.

Superman is powered by the energy he gets from the Sun.

The Sentry is powered by a million exploding Suns.

These are two completely different scales. The Sentry is quite literally trillions of times more powerful than Superman could ever be.

Doesn't WB always do DC movies because they're part of the same company?

Sentry sounds like something a 4-year-old came up with. Why did the editors approve such an OP character. He's basically God.

Comic Superman is literally immune to existence erasure, reality manipulation won't work on him

Manga is different enough that I wouldn't include it (and including it nowadays probably makes the comics industry look bigger than it actually is). I don't t think there's even much crossover.

Grant Morrison being a hack isn't an in-universe power, anon. If Superman was immune to having his existence erased, an infinite number of supermen wouldn't have had their existence erased during Crises.

Both can revive after being killed so it doesn't matter, they end up as friends

ripped Carnage in half

That's no great feat for a big hitter.

Can Sentry bypass Infinity?

Sentry has all of Superman's powers plus
Telekinesis
Telepathy
Light Manipulation (solid light constructs)
Matter Manipulation
Thermal manipulation
Reality Warping
Space Bending
Immortality
Rapid Renegeration
Anti-degrading (can't age, get fat, sick, etc.)
Energy Absorbtion
Quantum Inducement

Plus, the Sentry has no weaknesses.

He ripped Ares in half too.

Now show me Superman ripping a god in half.

Whoever wins, we snooze.

It was meant to be a short side-story. "What if a Superman-like entity existed in the Marvel continuity but was also schizo and the only way to stop himself was to erase his own memories and become a boring npc". In the end he reverts to the npc life after briefly snapping out of it. But then of course it was interesting enough so they worked him into the regular continuity. But generally he's boring, even with the Void thing.
He doesn't have his own gallery of villains or anything and is just basically standing around as a muscle in team-ups and maybe he loses his cool for a sec so they have to tard wrangle him for a bit.

This anon gets it.
Superman is great not because he can shoot lasers, breathe cold or punch a hole in the moon.
He is thw GOAT because he'll never buckle anf always do the right thing. He'll never fight Goku, because it would be pointless.
He'd always catch someone jumping off a bridge, even if talking to them didn't do shit.
He'll always chose the morally correct way and smile while doing it.

Muh plot armor

Doesn't count. The Sentry would just disconnect Superman's molecules with a wave of his hand and the fight would be over.

WB ain't doing too good rn.

So why doesn't he do that every time he fights anyone in the comics?

This video explains it all:
m.youtube.com/watch?v=fXSBUX6GPsA
No one buys off news stand anymore, or from comic shops (except gen X) so really the entire industry rests on the back of graphic novel sales. Marvel and DC sell a fraction of what series like "Bone" sell.

Bone was actually written for adults but it was discovered that the books did really well in school libraries as a graphic novel. Scholastic was the publisher of harry potter books and they chose bone to be the flagship graphic novel to sell right beside it at book fairs and in stores. Massive success.

That power set is a huge NOPE for me, anon. I'm a Marvelchad but it seems they went out of their way to create a character which can beat Superman should this very conversation ever happen.

The Sentry would just disconnect Superman's molecules with a wave of his hand and the fight would be over.

he never does that, stop with the Sentry wank

He did it to Molecule Man who is more powerful than any villain Superman has ever faced.

Molecule Man

You again? I'm starting to think you're actually Molecule Man posting on Anon Babble. Are you really so powerful that you can break the 4th wall?

Sentry's power is basically reality manipulation using his mind. If he can think it, he can do it.
And just like Hulk automatically asserting himself when Banner is in danger, Sentry has built-in safety triggers that prevent his mind from being extinguished, so he's kinda permanently existing no matter what and his powers are permanently active. The only real way to defeat him is to addle his mind somehow or manipulate him. Basically you have to pacify him until he decides to go do something else somewhere else.

you guys really love Superincel don't you?

You forgot teleportation.

To be fair, he did it to Owen and Owen can do some crazy shit. That was also before Sentry(forma de Jiren). Also, fuck Cates and Aaron.

It's not a matter of preference. It's about who is stronger.

Superman relies on the Sun for his powers, Sentry is empowered by a million exploding Suns from a parallell reality.

Sentry has all of Superman's powers, Superman only has a small fraction of the Sentry's powers.

When Sentry goes all out he can rip through superheroes and gods like they're civilians.

There's really nothing to debate here. We're comparin a dinosaur to an ant.

NTA, but he's sadly not wrong. Sentry is a golden example of writers wanking a character into the fucking ground and piling on new bullshit instead of just letting a character fucking end. Sentry's absurd survival powers are largely a result of writers *trying* to write sentry out of the comics as unambiguously and irreversibly as possible before later writers dragged their slimey asses into the chair and said "As, yes, literal Abrahamic God unmade Sentry such that he was never born in the first place and erased his soul from all moments in time in all multiverses and explicit said that there exists no power in this or any other world that could even theoretically return Sentry to life... but Sentry returns to life because I want to do a rehash of a story of his from 25 years ago but with a modern twist."

Why is he even flexing like this if he can simply wish people out of existence by thinking about them?

was created in an earth lab

so, these are his powers;

what the fuck were they thinking

Sentry's powers were always limited by his psyche. Even when he merged, he still was meditating constantly to better understand himself until Cates killed him to jerk off Knull. Cates didn't even read Lemire's run and used Golden sentry instead of the merged one. Ewing has dropped some clue in his Defenders series that the Sentry is a primordial being.

rare feats are unreliable because writers change them all the time, like if Sentry can beat Molecule Man he shouldn't have died to Knull which is nowhere close to MM's power

I didn't read all that. And I'm not a Anon Babblefag, but my friend is. He raised a great point at the bar one night. Comics haven't created a single new memorable character since Carnage who is within himself, just Venom but evil-er.

That was what, like 30 years ago?

"But what about America Chavez?!"

His point was that they haven't made a character that resonates in forever. Instead of new capeshit films, we just keep getting retreads of the same characters over and over and over again. Even the Falcon film wasn't "new". It's a retread of Captain America.

Sentry and the Thunderbolts are just remakes of better intellectual properties. Call me out on my bullshit, I dare you. But beyond Carnage and maybe Deadpool (who was a ripoff of Deathstroke) who was the last comic character that was original?

The key to understanding the concept of Sentry is a character is that he's a regular guy, a total npc with next to no agency of his own.
It's as if a random boring person was given "the powers of Superman", except even more so.. all the powers that person thinks Superman has.
So he can basically do anything and everything, but the limitations are that he's still an npc with no imagination and next to no agency. He doesn't have Superman's moral compass or virtues or sense of leadership. He just stands around like a loaded weapon waiting for someone to point him at something. And for that reason he never fully utilizes his broken powers and ends up just being a muscle for Stark or whoever is in charge at the moment and giving orders.

neither because both of their suits are ugly
all those ridiculous lines look so retarded
why are costume designers allergic to simple designs? wouldnt it be less work anyways???

As far as mainstream stuff goes probably Spawn and Invincible.
Within Marvel they did some interesting stuff with Young Avengers iirc. I'm not sure if they're technically new characters.

But generally speaking Marvel is propped up by legacy character since that's what people want to read. No pressing need to introduce major new players when they have hundreds of them to juggle through endlessly that everyone can easily recognize.

I fully agree with you. Marvel and DC are the best possible example of why capitalism kills art. They have transitioned from being publishers of stories to holders of IP for their parent companies, but even before that the fact that they own the very characters they were publishing meant that their focus had inherently shifted from "What is a story good enough to sell? Lets come up with good ideas" to "How can we get people to buy what we already own? Lets come up with bait gimmicks and reboots to trick people into coming back to us."

By keeping the same characters on an infinite treadmill, running in place forever, not only do you never allow those characters to get closure or for your world to move beyond them, you prevent new characters from ever getting a realistic chance to break out and have stories of their own. How is a new character ever supposed to get traction with the audience when the entire DC universe continues to orbit the Justice League's dick the same as it has for the last 80+ years?

superman thought robot bodies entire MC roster

Let's not pretend these Marvel/DC comics were ever anything other than disposable slop. It's only in the postmodern era that they've been somehow pushed forward as the pinnacle of mainstream entertainment.
The "good ideas" of yesteryear were Dr Doom showing up randomly and talking shit for a second until Spider-Man punches him in the face a bit conveyed in a way that a 5 year old can get what's going on.

Thought robot literally melted to the heat of ten billion suns.

The Thought Robot is a Sentential that woke up in a body of pure thought. He is powered by symmetry, memories, duality, probabilities, and possibilities. A doomsday machine engineered by the Monitors to defend against the ultimate evil. Capable of adapting instantly to counter any future threat. A sentinel-suit designed for a single purpose, to protect all existence against the ultimate enemy. A plot device.

What the fuck am I reading

guys... I don't think Sentry can win against this one

sir please be to the understanding and die to a pakistani nuclear shell

Here's what you have to know: there is a writer at DC named Grant Morrison who makes the mistake that thinking being meta is the same thing as being smart. He has a reputation for writing comics that insufferably wank themselves off about how important they are, and I mean that in the most literal sense possible. Superman is cosmically important to all of reality in all possible universes *because* he is superman. Comics, themselves, are important to the fabric of reality. DC isn't lazy, it is upholding generational, inspiring, cosmological constants and you, dear reader, should feel HONORED that you have been invited to participate for the low price of the book you hold in your hands.

Thought Robot Superman is just Morrison doing what he loves most: talking about how heckin important Superman is, making a dues ex machine and CALLING it a dues ex machina so that you are in on the joke you clever boy (low IQ readers won't get this, but you do. Feel *proud*) and wanking off his own powerlevels by writing on the side of the box "I have all of the powers and am immune to Timmy's power-cancelling ray".
And fat fuck inernet nerds eat this shit up. How you how many comics Thought Robot Superman appears on? 5? 10? One. For a grand total of TWO PAGES before fucking off into the ether to never be seen again. But chortling manchildren on the internet fucking TRIP over themselves in their rush to bring this "character" up in any powerlevel fight they can.

VSBWwank

He was destroyed by the heat of 10 billion suns.

Am I wrong to think this does irreparable damage to the DC comics as a whole? I always thought Marvel had a more consistent worldbuilding and it felt organically "sound" from street level to cosmic level, ignoring some wank here and there.
But with DC the weird power levels are already off the chart even with their basic lineup, let alone with crossover events like this. It's like they're addicted to weirdo meta nonsense as a baseline.

Correct. You may notice that DC has both a higher rate of universal reboots AND high-profile character resurrections. The last two DC mega-crossover events have BOTH been about fighting evil versions of the main heroes from different twist dark evil multiverses, the second even more secret and dark and evil than the immediately previous one. They are not just sucking down cosmic powerlevel dick, they are repeating themselves without even a break in between.
A large part of this is directly Grant Morrison's fault, either stories he wrote himself or trends that he began.

Marvel Comics are not in a great place overall right now either, but DC is almost exclusively kept alive now by people who will just keep buying comics of the same 3-4 characters over and over again out of sheer brand loyalty regardless of quality. They don't even want new stories with those characters, they are happy if they are just repeats of older stories they just want the flow to never stop.

Marvel C-list villain is immediately more depthful and compellant than DC's protag

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Nigga what the fuck language is this?

with sentry it could work in-universe to look soulless corporate slop, since it was designed by one. still looks shit.

here is quick shoop of removing the lines.

Good morning saar.
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Batman

Most wanked comic book hero

Yup, sounds like the Batman I know.

stain of the curb

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It ain't nothin' BUT fuckin' ESLs in this thread.