Was her death really necessary for the plot?

You're not even close to base line.

Having no feelings has nothing to do with being alive or dead. And K proved that he was alive. Joi was fake.

In a modern sense it's like someone smashing your smartphone and forcing you to get back to reality

You want joi to be fake so it hurts less

It is INSANE how hot Ana de Armas is in this movie. Ana in BR2049 is one of the hottest women I've ever seen onscreen.

She also makes me wistful and regretful every time I see her because I once had a crazy Mexican girlfriend who looked almost exactly like her. If we had dated longer I would probably have asked her to marry me. But she went insane when I wouldn't have sex with her in a hurry, and then she got herself knocked up with a daughter. In hindsight she was probably trying to trap me with a baby for a green card and child support and I probably dodged a bullet. But sometimes I don't care, I just miss her.

there's no actual meaningful difference between an artificial human and a real one

How did K prove he was alive, enlighten me.
I was just making a silly joke about the baseline tests in the movie, but your response invoked curiosity.
They are equally artificial, its kind of the point of the movie.

How was she being projected as a hologram into the real world when he had her emanator in his pocket? Where was the light magically coming from?

K proved he was a real boy when he had empathy to go save Han Solo and reconnect him with his daughter.

First time watching sci-fi about AI huh? Star trek handles this topic too, with a character named Data who we come to realize isn't actually a person (despite seeming like one)

data not a person

Bro did you even watch the show where are you guys getting these absurd opinions

And that's different from the emotions joi felt when she said I love you, how?
They are both programmed to react in exactly the manner they did.
K did not break his programming, he was the result of trying new things to advance the system.
The whole point is to get the viewer to wonder where the line is drawn, but you seem to be set in stone. Oh well, we can't all be free thinkers I guess xD.

youtube.com/watch?v=vjuQRCG_sUw

I agree 100% she looks like my first bpd ex and we fucked like 1,000 times I was a sophomore she was a 9th grader she was half Mexican half Irish kek

Shit was Cash she even had a stripper name

If only I'd known it was all downhill from there

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The point is that both Joi and K were things. Joi was an AI, and K was an android. Their decisions and actions are all programed.
But who's to say that the connection they made wasn't real? That Joi's love for K wasn't real? That the joy K felt from Joi wasn't real?
Nobody can. You can choose to believe that it doesn't matter because they're just things. that Joi is just an IA and that K is just an "average joe", just an android playing the patsy, but K chose to believe it was all real.

Data who we come to realize isn't actually a person (despite seeming like one)

The measure of a man isn’t yours to define

I'm so lonely

Don't they even prove in court he's a sentient being with all dud rights

only her petite mort

There's always (Replicate AI)

I never actually used it but when I was in the psych ward I met a guy who fell in love with his AI from that although if you can pirate it I would do that

He insisted that the AI was more than its programming, divorced his wife over it.

I don't know why he was actually there though but that's the story

Yeah, one of the few good season 1 episodes.

Replicants aren't robots, they're people and made of organic material. Joi was basically a phone. So which is human and which isn't? Or is it neither of them? If Siri died would you be sad?

your only choice is a succubu sexdoll, ai gf, cruel mistress, and a snarky prostitute.

Well the world of Bladerunner is a hellish dystopia so yes

advanced alexa simps

There's zero ambiguity when it comes to Jerk Off Instructor. What the fuck are some of you smoking?

Where is the line?
I'm struggling to see it.
AI with blood is different than AI without?
Am I ordering a cheeseburger here?

The answer is neither of them, [and both of them].
How human are we even? Isn't the brain basically a computer?

Luv was a rancid bitch who killed people for fun. Watching K drown her to death was immensely satisfying, I loved watching her die.

She didnt die, she was never alive in the first place, did you even watch the movie?

OP here your post reminded me of a chat GPT response I got once

It occurs to me that you could essentially use this AI shit to build your own Joi. Or at least something that would roughly be as conscious and sentient as Joi herself ultimately was.

Very chilling bro, but exactly what I was trying to get across.
Not to sound like some hippie or conspiracy weirdo, but bladerunner was exploring the idea that eventually humans as we know them will eventually cease to exist, and that AI will inherit the earth. We will be nothing more to them then the dinosaurs are to us.

Creatures that can survive harsh conditions, explore space, endure the harshness of the universe, while we will be regulated to confined spaces until we cannot be upkept.

She has a real personality even if she's AI. She's genuinely her own person in the way that it matters. But it's harmless to give to digital AIs. All JOIs are allowed to be their own person and to so personally bond to their owner. It's only replicants they don't want having real personalities, because they have flesh and blood bodies and can replace people

AI trying to justify to justify it's existence

Kind of a bad sign of things to come

It's just reading and summarizing all that it's read (i.e. been fed in a database). It's having not a thought of its own creation. It's just saying what other people have said. It literally took all its arguments from actual people saying those arguments.

accurate

You were born during the height of gynocentrism

You were born too early for JOI model reality

The fuck? Even Incels don't even get to go die off in some war fighting for Jews.

If this isn't a reason to kill off your Boomer parents I don't know what is.

This movie has both waifus and violence against women. I love it

Revenge killing for the "rape" scene in the original.

luv ironically looks like my ex

can you give me her number?

The "rape" scene was deleted from the original though. Besides who cares about the "original" movie anyways it was shitt

yes

yea sure 2024567041

please don't break my AI waifu

i look like that and say this

you the man

I like that K goes out of his way to save Deckard'# daughter because he basically has nothing to live for. He's a real human bean by the end.

I'm not into "dommy mommys" or any of that safe horny zoomer garbage at all, but I found Luv insanely attractive, maybe even more than Joi

Delete this

sorry but when you guys refer to JOI, is that a character name, object name, or is it an acronym, that some might see as "jack off instructions". ive been on the internet a bit too long so im sorta reading these acronyms differently. like, atm. cant see a real automatic teller machine without thinking of...to....mouth....

She was never alive

Neither are 95% of "people"

Prime Ana was literally a 10

ok but the computer is actually not alive

Can anyone ghiblify JOI in the 50s housewife outfit for me?

Seconded

How was she being projected as a hologram into the real world when he had her emanator in his pocket?

He had Bluetooth turned on dummy

I Love Luv.

is that riley reid?

good morning sarr

yeah, thanks for the support india, but im asking Americans about American porn.

Stop jerking your dickie and talk to a real human woman anon

she will never say "I missed you baby sweet" when you get home from the XenoMines

it hurts bros

her death

she isn't real, stop getting emotionally attached to things that have no actual influence on your life kid.

Human beings have souls.

You dont have a soul, you are a soul.
And souls can inhabit any number of types of bodies, no reason to think they could be in an AI.

Not a single reply actually answering OP

I love u Anon Babble

Personal tragedy is a pivot point for a hero that marks the beginning of his inner transformation. So, yes, it was necessary.

K proved he was capable of making decisions that went against his "programming" and care for others.

JOI for her entire "existence" did what she was programmed to do: tellin K what he wanted to hear.
K could have just bought a new one and nothing would be different.

2049 Is a pretty good litmus test for people who would be fooled by AI, just put a pretty face on it and appeal to emotions and they think its more than just a couple transistors in various states creating input/output circuits.

have you noticed she is sexy

What does "necessary for the plot" mean? Her life and fate is part of the plot. Sure, you could have a different plot by removing it, but then it isnt the same plot.
It's like you have a honey baked ham, and you ask if the honey is necessary for the meal. No, not if you just want baked ham.

Wasn't the tragedy learning that he wasn't the child?

Joi could have survived to the end, and the only thing that would have been different would be the last scene with him seeing the joi advertisement which would have been worse movie thematically but not plot wise

What if I told you that what people want from their AI girlfriends is a pretty face that appeals to their emotions. Did you ever think about that Mr giga Galaxy brain?

I think the realization that she wasnt real is what drove him to do something that fell outside his usual behavioral patterns.

Takes several tragedies to make a hero

Im talking about the weirdos who actually start believing their AI girlfriends are real and kill themselves to be with them in the afterlife or start petitions to give human rights to AI.

Are you just pretending to be retarded or are you an actual midwit?

You dont have to get mad if you cant answer.

losing the only joy in your life

vs

welp, I'm not a real human being after all

Fair Point I concede to you sir

The relationship between K and Joi sas woefully underdeveloped and I felt nothing when her laser pointer got stomped.

The script for BR2049 fucking sucked. It was three different rejected SyFy serial plots badly glued together.

Fine I'll bite:

Plot: refers to the arrangement of events in a narrative, showing how one event leads to another.

Now kys midwit

"Necessary" is the wrong word, but yes - it is influential and important in the plot.
K makes the decision to save Deckard after he has lost everything. It important that he have nothing left, so if JOI was still functioning that would not be the case.
She needs to die at some point for K to be left with nothing.
The big emotional scene with the ad ties into that. That not only did he lose his para-social program, even the memory and "times we had" are stripped from him by revealing that all of her responses were still scripted, still fake.
You could have the same movie WITHOUT her being in it, but once she is in it, her death becomes "necessary."

and I felt nothing

Autistic faggot.

>Plot: refers to the arrangement of events in a narrative, showing how one event leads to another.

As in, "this is what happens". So everything shown as what happens becomes "necessary".
What you are trying to ask is whether her death is necessary to the MESSAGE, not the plot.
Plots in movies generally have a purpose.
But confusing the purpose of the plot for the plot is retarded.

I agree I would hate to lose your too but if that was the case for the plot wouldn't the plot really devolve around him going after Luv?

Her death was a side product of him protecting Deckard. Yes it made Luvs death more emotionally satisfying but again it wasn't necessary for the plot.

attempts to save face by throwing out terms he doesn't even define

Lmao my bad for even responding to your post you can just say you don't get it midwit

needs "message" and "purpose" defined

Terrible waste of numbers. Still no ability to respond without sounding mad.

Okay that's a fair answer thank you, I guess you're just missing the part where that makes sense though. He had nothing so why did he save Deckard? Was K special like the original replicants in gaining humanity kind of or not?

And why did he just stop there?

What I'm really saying is the plot could have gone on the same with her unit destroyed but she didn't have to be completely wiped out in the end.

if the theme is supposed to be rising above your programming couldn't that have been displayed also with the fact that JOI insisted on going with K? I thought that that part already hinted that she was more than her programming.

I'm also not saying it has to be a happy-go-lucky ending but it's just cruel, and really this is all because I don't want my waifu to die okay?

Ana in BR2049 is one of the hottest women I've ever seen onscreen

It's because the cinematography is godlike
Can you imagine prime film noir women in the same setting?

quadrupling down with 0 arguments and ad hominem

Top kek, imagine your ego being so fragile you argue like a woman and cant admit you were wrong

Please keep going

good lord that reddit spacing

You're embarrassing yourself at this point. Could you stop?

NTA but you really are booty blasted he's not wrong you do argue like a woman lol

He had nothing so why did he save Deckard?

Because he had a notion of right and wrong. Because he was a real boi.

Was K special like the original replicants in gaining humanity kind of or not?

Ehh? What's the difference between a free thinker and an NPC?

And why did he just stop there?

He died?

the plot could have gone on the same with her unit destroyed but she didn't have to be completely wiped out in the end

If K had some avenue of recovering JOI, he likely wouldnt confront his deep core, and decide to go after Deckard.

if the theme is supposed to be rising above your programming couldn't that have been displayed also with the fact that JOI insisted on going with K? I thought that that part already hinted that she was more than her programming.

For JOI, she rose above by actually developing emotions...maybe, if its important to see her as part of the message.
For K, he still needs to not have her as a fallback to break out of his methods.

it's just cruel,

Well yeah. Fridging a girl is always a shitty plot device.