NOOOOOOOOOO YOU HAVE TO ENDURE MY ABUSE BECAUSE THIS IS THE HECKIN BIG CITY AND EVERYONES MEAN AND RUTHLESS HERE AND...

NOOOOOOOOOO YOU HAVE TO ENDURE MY ABUSE BECAUSE THIS IS THE HECKIN BIG CITY AND EVERYONES MEAN AND RUTHLESS HERE AND JAZZ MUSICIANS USED TO CHIMP OUT AT EACH OTHER BACK IN THE 50'S

the teacher was a jerk

abuse

You're a fucking faggot.

CHIQUEN JOQUEY

MINOR J KEY

A teacher as much as raises his voice at me, ONCE? I'll deck him then and there.

loser cope; you'll never be the next buddy rich

going through this to become a drummer

lmao

Nobody will be. Band music is dead outside of the festering corpse of metal. Drop out and pick up Ableton nigga lol

If I was there it wouldn't have went down like it did. There would have been a lot of blood in that rehearsal room.

jazz

you mean background music?

What stoppign you from punching him? Who the fuck becomes his bitch?

I would have parried the chair easily and then teleported behind him before delivering the finishing blow (all in time with the music the band was playing, obviously)

they’re straight melting down that young people aren’t lining up to make poverty wages while being screamed at by alcoholic foremen during a 5 year apprenticeship

What's funny is that this has been a slow and obvious thing. You could tell 10 years ago that people just weren't going to do the amount of labor being asked by burnt out tradesmen for some literal pathetic wage, for 4 years, all for the hope of finally make an okay amount of money.

then you'd have shit where the tradesmen didn't have apprentice replacements, so they'd consistently find reasons to keep the new guys from succeeding so they could continue to have cheap labor

ok tough guy, post body

Post full name (including any middle names), full address, photo of house from the front, social security number, telephone number, all email addresses you have, pin code for your phone and credit card number including expiry date.

Good for zoomers

the scenario presented in whiplash was never aspirational to anyone

Uhm actually the burden of proof is on you tough guy

Low IQ post.

Anyone who doesn't get it or says they would knock him out clearly can't comprehend the pursuit of excellence to become a legend. You guys just don't have real skills

You're being nasty to me, this is torture! I'm gonna kill myself!

You're a fucking faggot.

with the wrong person who beats him to death

kek you wouldn't do shit pussy

while being screamed at by alcoholic foremen

if you're getting screamed at on a job site it's 100% because you're doing something stupid that's putting other people in danger

Zoomers are in the right here, boomers are narcissistic ego maniac cunts who lived during the best time in human history and still managed to fuck it all up due to greed and arrogance, the only generation to leave their kids poorer than themselves. They're like spoiled children who've never been told no so they have absolute meltdowns at the slightest inconveniencem Fuck boomers, total boomer death

Yeah imagine if it was a nigger

He picks on acne covered teens. If this cunt got in my face like this he'd be crawling around in his own blood picking up his teeth. You don't fuck around like this where I'm from and not expect to get knocked out

This. They are the worst generation, a product of the sexual revolution and feminism. They raised millennials to be failures and did not parent them. I will offer boomers some grace since they are the most propagandized generation raised with the tv, with no counter information like zoomers have today.

Watch your profamity

pretty based if true. Enduring abuse is only worth it if you're making money to support yourself and your family

zoomers meet 40 year olds and think "woah this geezer is so old he must have been born in like the 60s"

Enduring abuse is only worth it if you're making money to support yourself and your family

This is straight up what it boils down to
Same reason military recruitment is in the shitter, less than a year ago there were tons of articles featuring old military guys who were bootyblasted by the idea that they were going to have to increase pay and fix remove mold from the barracks to actually get soldiers enlisted again. Not even touching how the previous administration was actively hostile to white men

Zoomers waking up makes my cold heart a little bit warm.

this is true, because only a mentally ill person would even want to be a jazz musician

hey! watch where you're swinging that! you almost hit john!

um, that's abusive! I'm taking a mental health day

you know what? you're fired. get outta here.

wow, typical boomer melty. wait until tiktok hears about this!

Interesting thread where everyone is wrong.
Excellence is achieved when natural talent is led by delayed validation. Delayed validation doesn't mean treating people like trash until they're good. It means you deny them the acknowledgement and fulfillment they're searching for until they are truly excellent and can afford to rest. That might include criticizing or rejecting them brutally as a way to dangle the carrot. If they have an ego, it might even mean humiliating them on purpose. I've been on both ends of this treatment and know there is no greater motivator than keeping a student hungry. Most of you are faggots, however, and interpret people who take their practice deathly serious as big poopoo meanies who need to be nice to you until you grow wings and fly for no reason. All the generation talk is gay red herring bullshit.

that's true for all artists

I think you conflate relative abuse to objective abuse.

Based.

Yes hence why aria grande said kill them with kindness

the main issue with this movie is the exact tempo doesn't matter, you hit the basic bpm and then groove with the rest of your musicians. And while yes, the drummer is the one who keeps the rhythm, the idea that it matters whether you're at 80bpm or 80.1bpm is absurd

have you ever been in a top-tier jazz group that has won multiple national awards?

Whiplash is a terrible movie that gets everything wrong unless it's on purpose lmao.

If what they say about young blood having less tolerance to routine and rough environments is true, we might end up with fewer experts overall. Seems like there will be a lot of pussies in the world who are mid at what they do at best.

If someone talks to you in this manner in any imaginable scenario without you flipping out and attacking the person, you're not a man.

imagine going to school to learn how to play this random niggershit

youtube.com/watch?v=8bRTFr0ytA8

how have jews convinced burgers that this shit has merit?

YOU MUST BE THE ABSOLUTE BEST AT JAZZ DRUMMING AND SACRIFICE EVERYTHING ELSE IN YOUR ENTIRE LIFE SO YOU CAN... uh... be in some band no one except big nerds know and make a less than middle class salary

What are some "legendary" modern jazz drummers?

Fuck jazz music.

why is it terrible

you'll never be a great human metronome

That story he told about Charlie Parker was bullshit. Charlie Parker wasn’t “hardworking” he was a heroin addict, alcoholic, womanizer, and wifebeater.

this
the funny thing about jazz, is that the theory around it was designed to conform to however the popular nigger musicians happened to play. they weren't good, but it was a jewish project to see if they could convince people it was good
then a bunch of white people came in and made it into music
also, whites invented basketball

Cool off topic blog, now kill yourself you stupid faggot.

based zoomers

tl: buckbroken faggot

It's really just this abuse scene for millenials, only they can't relate to having a job so they have to be abused at school

This scene is retarded if you actually have a job. No one can sell estates because all leads are wrong and weak, the main office send The Big Man, who will fire those who after a week, couldn't sell shit. It leads to workers steal company secrets.
This "speach" is a mirror. If you got inspired by it, the movie has one meaning to you, if you disgusted, the other meaning.

irl some teachers are needed assholes, but this movie creates a caricature. Black Swan does it better.

Tell me you've never had a power tripping boss without telling me

Okay give me sec as I dissect this stunted boomer-coded drivel

truly excellent

says who

dangle the carrot

no thanks

humiliating them on purpose

humiliation ritual? for fucking what? a pad in the back?

student hungry

Is it about the effort or the humiliation? Which is it then?

take their practice deathly serious

My brother in Christ, you can kill my body a 1000 times and I will never understand whats your problem. I sincerely pity you for thinking anybody owes anyone anything in this life, but youve been trained like this your whole life so I cant blame you.
Anyways, what I can say? Your boomer faggotry is terminal and I think you should take your own life at this point words words words I love you. PEACE.

I wouldn’t call it abuse. All the musicians in that room could cut their losses and leave. They prostitute their dignity to the band director because they know being in the band has prestige and will advance their careers.
You really think upper middle class professionally trained jazz musicians have to be there? Bullshit

Believe me when I say that Im not trying to start anything here. Neither am I undermining the story of the hero because that would practically be blasphemy
But let just set things right: is it about the effort or the humiliation (with the underlying intention of passing down misery from generation to generation)?

Incoherent.

Thanks for the input, retard
.

Post again.

You exist, I win

Stunted retard, 60 yo and talking like a fag? No surprises there.
Have a good one.

Now stop posting. That's an order.

But let just set things right: is it about the effort or the humiliation (with the underlying intention of passing down misery from generation to generation)?

Both for sure. The band instructor knows he can treat his musicians however the hell he wants. If his concern was truly to nurture talent he would not have chimped out on that perfectly capable drummer who COULD play the songs just because he needed sheet music.

Okay man I love you.

You know this premise wouldn't have been fucking retarded if he was an actor instead of a drummer. I'd watch JK Simmons yell at this faggot for being a shitty actor.

Why didn't he just do his tempo?

That movie blows. A story that never needed to be told.

He could have walked away at any time. He could have reported the behavior to the school's administration at any time. He could have done anything but sit there and take it.

I will never understand

It's because you're slow or not even trying. I'm fairly sure you've also never achieved anything worth mentioning or even joined any sports club. Because otherwise, you would know that for the vast majority of people, especially retarded ones such as yourself, relying on their whim is a dead end when it comes to mastering something.

Im just not interested in sitting at your table.
This is what the fuck happens when you stop praying, it fucks your mind, making you think you are the one in control, when the only one in control is our boss, you know, God? Ever heard of him?
Anyways have a good one.
xoxo

You have to cut off all your relationships so you can be a great drummer in a dead genre and release an album that critics will love and no one else will actually buy

Jazz purist faggots are so cringe, imagine sacrificing your entire life so you can play music that used to be made by poor blacks in shacks in the woods for fun

Jewish autism turned jazz into the most difficult genre of music to play. The Jews who always liked African Americans and their music adopted jazz. But the thing is that they were all classically trained so they had to make it challenging for them

I'd gladly work at home depot than wageslave for some shitty work foreman expecting me to suck his dick and eat shit for laughs

It actually is a lot like this
And it used to be a lot worse
Fats waller had dancers, half of them had black eyes bc they were lazy with their moves

those digits are not quite my tempo

free jazz filters another

lol, also you don't "learn" to play free jazz, as much as gradually get there if you stay with jazz long enough

My gf is a former professional opera singer. She was one of the several "chosen ones" who were showing the most promise. Aside from purely physical abuse, her experience at the academy was 100% the same as it is shown in the film - pushed to the absolute limit by the narcissistic teacher in order to achieve excellency at the expense of everything else.

notice how its always weird gay stuff nobody actually likes, like jazz, dancing, and opera where this crap is pushed. You can be excellent skilled and disciplined without having some weird old person hitting you or whatever.

so many mad millennials itt

My problem with this movie is how unrealistic it is. Who the FUCK gets this heated over a gay and boring boomer genre like Jazz? Now if he were a death metal drummer I could understand that because it takes way more effort to blast beat consistently at high speed along with keeping your footwork on the double pedals consistent. Jazz music doesn’t even have double bass drums

This stuff is standard in the medical field as well.
Med students, and then residents, it's basically 10-12 years of fagging. (Getting yelled at, sweared at, and abused by power tripping seniors)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fagging

imagine this movie but with multiple authoritarian role models in the movie lol

Is this copypasta from reddit?

idk if this is bait, but i knew plenty of people that were really good at guitar, and could play pretty much anything even jazz stuff, but the heavy metal riffs and playstyle was totally unplayable to them cuz of how hard and specialized that shit is to do.

He's a drummer.
Being the best drummer in the world means fuck all even to music nuts you are on the bottom of the totem pole with a marginal gap compared to anyone else. Nobody and I really mean it Nobody will give a shit about his sacrifice or bloood.

no, im not writing a copypasta. nobody likes jazz and opera. someone ITT hit the nail on the head that lazz was music a bunch off broke black dudes made for fun. so if they could be great at it why exactly do you need some old person to beat you up for dragging?
and im not saying stern or even asshole behavior like that isnt going to whip someone into shape, but the movie is so exaggerated

Jazz musicians. I went to music school, and you'll never find more pretentious people. I was in orchestra, which seemed like it would be the worst, but openly acknowledge that all our stuff was 200 years old and kind of irrelevant. There were still pricks, but it was kind of understood that it was a pointless artform where you only succeed if you go into production music.

Jazz though, holy shit. It was easier to the average person to enjoy, but they were ruthless to each other. For something that's supposed to be so improvision, there was so much knocking other people down and competition. Like the level of competition to be in first violin was nothing compared to the bullshit of being 2nd string saxophone. They'd openly sabotage and insult each other all to wind up playing a dance number written by black people in 1930.

Tell me you're the shit worker on site who nobody else likes without telling me.

wow what a simple minded baby

You have never been in sales. They have a revolving door of clueless retards coming in to work on pure commission because 60% of the population is not employed. The Alec Baldwin character is the real salesman and his job isn't selling real-estate its selling the belief that this is a real job and not a scam.

we've got someone who's actually done high end ensemble work in the thread

Now that's a rare bear.

Im an Electrician and Boomers were the worst Journeymen to be taught by. I was told by several times throughout my apprenticeship that they weren't going to teach me anything because they didn't want to be forced into retirement with young guys replacing them.
You wire a panel perfectly and beautifully, "How long did that take you? You are wasting company time and money doing shit no one is gonna see."
You wire a panel as quickly as possible, "This looks like shit and with zero pride put in. You're lazy."
All they do is nitpick and bitch about your work. One Boomer tells you to do something his way and the next gets pissed at you for not doing it his way. Also they are miserable shits who I swear hate the sound of guys having a good time on site.
Also total rats who will preach about not selling out their brothers while doing exactly that just to get ahead.
I'm fucking glad they have all retired and those left are so deep in the minority that they have zero say in anything. The Gen Xers, Millenials, and even the Zoom Zooms have made the trades a fuck ton more fun to be in.

young people aren’t lining up to make poverty wages while being screamed at by alcoholic foremen during a 5 year apprenticeship

trades are literally full retard. there's massive waitlists that are thousands of people long, probably because wages are higher than what the average person with a college degree makes (especially union)

First of all, who and what is defined as "nobody"? Is it because it doesn't gather the same audience as the latest mumble rap or pop slop aimed at the lowest common denominator? While jazz and classical/academic music is indeed outdated, it still has its own audience and the concerts (some of which even get the tickets sold out). To claim that literally nobody likes it is a stretch.

Second, you don't understand the psychology of someone who has dedicated their lives to achieving perfection in their music genre. For them its everything or nothing and that goes double for their students, especially if the person in question has narcissistic tendencies and/or has failed the achieve this perceived perfection when they had the chance to do so.

China ITT astroturfing Western art forms. Get fucked chongs

Probably because they aren't inherently profit seeking industries.

I am an actual tradesman and you fucking hit the nail on the head lad (I have had a career change) I used to sit on lunch and look at the burnt cunts and think "I never want to be like you, you miserable old bald fucks"

Boomers are female brained like single moms. Coddled their daughters, encouraged them to be whores, and sabotaged their sons, seeing them as "competition" that might hurt their fragile egos.

Shartytranny

Every fucking camp job.

Boomer gambles away entire pay cheque on a hand of poker and loses it all.

Gets plastered every evening.

Fucking camp hookers like his life depends on it.

The fucking drugs

Gets divorced

"I don't know why she left me, probably just for the alimony!"

nta youre talking to but you got btfo fr fr

Drums aren't a real instrument that requires any skill, and nobody would've tolerated Smeagol shouting in their face like that. The entire premise is ridiculous.

tfw i'm probably going to have to go back to being an electrician at the age of 30 because the white collar industry is overrun with batshit insane liberals who make you go through 5 rounds of interviews for a job that pays $20

I should have never quit my office job last year.

t. NEET

No. It's simply asking the question - "was it right if it produced good results?"
It's supposed to get you thinking about it.

The message was clearly - no it wasn't ok for him to do that.

The drum solo was not incredibly difficult.
They call them "standards" for a reason - every single jazz musician can play standards comfortably, with their eyes closed.

i rejecct your hypothesis. being great isnt about being pissed off and angry all the time. look at super successful people and theyre calm and objective not emotionally wild retards.

simmons aside, it's just a not very good movie. doesn't help that miles teller has negative charisma.