Life is priceless, and we are supposed to care about it. Meantime...

Life is priceless, and we are supposed to care about it. Meantime, we are basically disposable dreaming machines: our senses and consciousness are derivative and fake, we are all doomed to suffer and die, and had we even achieved enlightenment, we would've found the entire world, including ourselves, essentially worthless. Thus, life both doesn't hold value and does, does matter and doesn't. What's the most reasonable way to address it, then? Which character do you think got it right?

Checked, based and cyberpunk pilled

Antinatalism and Promortalism is the only rational and bravest conclusion, which is why it will always be rejected.

Uh oh. So have you all seen Herzog's Encounters At the End of the World? All the Dr. Gorham stuff about neutrinos? It's the afterlife. It's all real. It's the next big secret after the world is round and all that stuff.

Antinatalism is really stupid. It's the stupidest thing a person can believe in.

Oh God. So have you all heard Topdown from Austin? They're so good. They're playing tomorrow night. I'm so excited.

And Ana de Armas is doing an ama! Isn't that insane? What are you gonna ask her?

Well as long as someone else got those dubs. This thread is officially blessed.

I'm not sure I see how the afterlife's existence is relevant to us while we're here.

Because we can commune with the dead apparently. Apparently literally everything has a soul and everything's soul is trapped on Earth after death for about a month. And in that time they apparently sometimes can interact us. To start right now or whatever etc apparently hooking dog's brains up to electrodes is the way to start documenting this or whatever. Apparently dogs can hear them. Like if the dog was theirs. And other factors too. Like the dog has to be abused and traumatized by someone else or something like that. You can't just start hooking dogs up to electrodes. You have to lie and manipulate the owner and the dog before the owner dies. And then hook the dog up to electrodes. Other ways too but thats the most scientific way apparently.

Nigga what?

Queen Elizabeth did it, Aretha Frabkljn the queen of soul did it, and some old dead bitch I knew did it. They all came back. Within one month after death. Apparently Queen Elizabeth and Aretha Franklin created rainbows. Everyone talked about it. From the entire city of Detroit to Princess Kate. They all talked about how they literally all came back. As far as this old dead bitch don't even get me started. All hell broke loose and I have witnesses and receipts and all kimds of shit.

But it will never be enough. You can hook a hundred dogs up to electrodes and there will still be too many people who won't believe you. And I think that applies in the afterlife too. I think people in the afterlife ask if there's a god.

I'm not reading that

CHICKEN JOCKEY

Why are you here then?

The entire point of the movie is you are not those things because youre an actual person youre better than him and he is only able to piece together a figment of our being and potentiality as a replicant by the end.

As far as I know, the key difference between a replicant and a human being is that the latter has been born, has their past, and probably some kinda soul or whatnot. But how is that actually better?

You have interpreted it wrong that is why the Deckard being a replicant idea is stupid because its fundemental to the first movie that love is what seperates man and machine and this is exemplified again with K dating a hologram girl because all he can do is simulate what he thinks a person should be but you and 90% of modern audience like the movie so much because youre just autistic and relate to K on that basis ignoring what I just described and youll probably say its just my headcanon etc etc having a soul isnt just some minor detail but you obviously think so 'and whatnot'
The reason this is better is because the movie is a monument to what makes mankind wonderful and you just see half of it by narrowing in on K.

theres also the life and ressurection of Jesus Christ the Son of God but you know that already and you are going to say talking to ghosts refutes it somehow when people have been doing that for all of history its even documented in 1 kings. But feel free to keep denying him

Probably I missed the movie preaching on the wonder of love for the same reason I'm struggling to understand what's good in love exactly, and would it be enough to answer OP's questions? What's in it for me and the world I live in if I learn to love? How does love make life worth living?

youtu.be/iP2WAXdr9NQ

take the pitch dark abyss blackpill

You’re not nearly as clever as you believe yourself to be

I remember a story about a stray cat who'd been fed by some locals. One day she gave birth to kittens, one of which was soon eaten to death by fleas. Locals couldn't save him, and the cat started to refuse their food since then. One could say it's kind of business as usual to an animal, but imagine if something like that happened to a woman and her child.

one of which was soon eaten to death by fleas

how does that happen?

Nature is grotesque hell

tfw you are just a dumb meat puppet pretending to be a person with free will

It's a relief you don't know what conditions stray animals live in in some regions.

decide to create a human being

hit random generator button

OOOPS you got a rare disease mutation that will make your life pure misery tough luck

welp, time to roll the dice again baby

it's good to be a king!

I agree. Some people believe in a heaven, an afterlife better than this place, yet they are constantly reproducing and creating humans to live in our current world. Why do we have to come to this place first, why didn’t we go straight to heaven?

2 more millennia, trust the plan
except for all the babies that die without being baptized and go straight to hell, fuck those suckers lmao

my lack of free will forces me to believe I have free will, deal with it loser

Atoms are all we are, but an atom is neither alive or dead. Wanting the human race to end is pointless. Ending your life is pointless. You are just an unfolding mathematical equation of the universe.
You’re just depressed, get laid.

recommending to an antinatalist to get laid

Nice.

Perhaps a better world is drawing near. Just as easy, it could all disappear, along with whatever meaning you may have found. Don't let the uncertainty turn you around. Go on and make a joyful sound.

I gotta say I still stick to the idea that K was the actual real Replicant child, with the doctor being a throwoff, because it kind of makes the movie very poignant in modern times, at least for me. His worldview gets shattered again, and again. Nothing he's told is the truth - not by the resistance, not by the Tyrell corp, nothing. Even if he knows the truth, it doesn't matter anymore since he's been so defeated by the world around him, and it could also be one of the reasons why he saves Deckard in the end. An act of defiance and finding his own truth by doing something true to himself. O algo.

the problem with this is you think the problem would be solved because only humans are 'conscious' whatever you think that means. but guess what that's the same kind of main character effect as 'surely the sun orbits the earth because...earth is where we are looking from'. animals suffer too, you idiots.

K not being special in anyway is more meaningful, because by the end he actually is special, because he has chosen to be. He threw off the narratives enslaving him mentally, a capacity inherent to any of us. A slave can always free himself if he chooses to.
Making K be the special child is just anime crap where the protagonist was secretly special all along.
You don’t need some surprise revelation about your past (or to be anointed as special, like Luv was) for you to free yourself and to be special.

I sort of bought into this 'life on earth is worse than not existing' stuff for a while but then if you actually look at a wild animal's life, yeah they have a violent death which takes like 2 seconds and they spend hours every day for years just lounging around content. it's 99% good and 1% bad by time. a fine deal

you are wildly ignorant about the average wild animals life

nope. look out your window (unless you live in a city center, where even the birds are nasty dirty bums)

You're both right about him freeing himself through rebellion as an ultimate expression of will, though.

STFU you edgy faggot

Except it's 99 % of sucking dicks time when it comes to an average human.

Usually Antinatalism takes all of consciousness into account. Many Antinatalists are vegan for that reason. But I agree that a lot of people are hypocritical in that regard. Efilism makes it more clear.

What pathetic defeatism. What we should be fighting for is for man finally outcompeting nature itself, the very thing that birthed us, and achieving immortality so that future generations may not know the fear that we do.
You may be fine with lying down and giving up, but the only limits we have are the moral constraints we give ourselves. We have the power to, in time, shape the world to our liking.

Immortality just increases the potential for suffering. Imagine a world gone horribly wrong where no one can die. There is never a guarantee for a lasting utopia. In fact, the better technology gets the more nightmarish suffering can be.

Efilism

That is some edgy shit, alright.

our senses and consciousness are derivative and fake

They're as real as they can be. You'll have plenty of time to be the other thing if you admire it so much.

Animals starve, get diseases, suffer from chronic pain, become depressed, lose their family, they get cold, scared and lonely, injured. Just like us. When all of the possible pleasure of being alive is behind you and all that is left is getting eaten alive for what could be hours it just completely loses meaning.

Imagine living your life, knowing that one day a lion will devour you. You'd do your best to be happy even as it approaches and gets closer. But when the moment arrives all your happiness and pleasure was not worth it.

Imagine living your life, knowing that one day a lion will devour you

What a bizarre angle though, since animals absolutely do not do this. Even though my whole point earlier was you need to include them in the suffering not just humans, they don't and can't sit there worrying about the future lmao. You did this default human thing, which is wrong regarding us in the first place, but even more certainly can't be projected onto them, which is accounting an accrual of some kind of experience 'tally' that is only checked out at the end. No. You experience your experiences when you experience them. Good moment, bad moment. If you imagine something from the future that ruins your current mood, that makes this moment a bad one but that's your present voluntary action doing that not the actual future

What other thing?

On the contrary celebrating pain is as edgy as it gets. The prevention of suffering is a noble and selfless goal.

Non-existent, of course

I never said or implied that I admire it.

At some point life becomes worthless because you are no different from the person next to you. On earth there are 8.4 billion people and most of them are the exact same brown skinned black haired brown eyed untermensch.
Countries that used to be worth something are becoming worthless.
Humanity has lost its value.

yous are talking at cross purposes because the guy doesn't understand that in the OP you are paraphrasing the movie's various potential messages, he thinks you just started ranting with your opinions like he would

You do know that suffering could be addressed via mental practices like Buddhism, right?

yeah if you let go of all your earthly desires and stop eating so you die without ever getting reborn into the endless cycle of suffering

good luck teaching the dhamma to fish and zebras

Oil, greed, among many other things, created everything you see around you. You must not like your kids very much if you want them to live in our current world. Can you not imagine a better world?

youtu.be/0sH0__SpV88

Yes. If only we unleashed the power of Ayn Rand, we would be living in Tomorrowland right now.

It is my opinion in the OP. But questioning life's virtue doesn't necessarily mean me advocating for nonexistence. If anything, death has even less value and is way more unnatural to me. I was just trying to point out the contradiction in the only thing we actually could be claiming as our personal property—our life—and hear out what anon might have to say on that.

Some people out there are making money off of you getting to point A to point B and they destroyed the entire world while doing it.

Oh, so when you put

Which character do you think got it right?

That was just pure scamming to get an off topic thread through?

Death is the most natural thing possible. Of all trillions of years in the universe, you will spend 99.99999% of it dead. You only have this briefest of blinks of time, this puff of a spark, to appear from the ether, life whatever you can, then return to the void. All your memories lost like piss down the drain.

Well, they lost money on me today because I missed my dentist appointment for a stupid reason.

the line is like tears in rain

I don't give a shit about any lines.

It's kind of weird how he played both the most based character (Cooper) and the most cringe charicature (Rust) I know of in the same year.

I don't understand the cat's reasoning here. Did she think that she gave birth because she was fed? Stupid bitch. All women are retards, it seems.

It wasn't. This board speaks in cinema language, and it's only natural to use it however one sees fit. This guy knows what's up.

Truckers?