He’s White, always has been

Tfw we’ll never get a live action this good because they’ll force asians into these roles

He's literally an angry monkey soo

Did you see any black Saiyans in the show? I don't think so.

broly is brown now

He's a filthy monkey and always has been

One of the most interesting things about the new Final Fantasy character designs, intentional or not, is that they don't look like any race or ethnicity in the real world. No Caucasian or Japanese person looks anything like Cloud.

Goku is only a spic in one chapter

maybe ASR

hahaha

Damn, you had that one in the chamber huh

just looks like some kpop dude with blue contacts and a slightly stronger chin. the rosy hue of his skin is what makes it weirdly ambiguous

That’s literally a white guy lmao what kind of cope is this KPOP people don’t have peach skin, European facial features and natural blue eyes/blonde hair retards. Cloud Strife from NIFELHEIM is white.

Goku is only mexican insofar Saiyans are savages who deserved to be destroyed because of their bloodlust ala the native americans. Goku is a black much in the same way but I think Saiyans = mexicans are more apt. Though blacks being called monkeys and stuff and sold into slavery and oppressed by white people is too spot on.

Projecting your brownness on to a white character needs to stop, this is cope. There are no spics in Dragon Ball, and there’s only one black guy

None of his facial features are exclusively European, you retards act like whites invented high cheekbones

He has an Asian name, lives in a fantasy Asian country, and is based on an Asian fantasy character

The guy is Asian cmon now

He has almond eyes with eyelids, a sharp, long nose, and thick lips. Peach skin on his face with some freckles. Natural blonde hair and blue eyes. His mother is white, and he comes from a Swedish looking village named Nifelheim. He’s white, and you’re coping hard. Yuffie is the only asian in the main cast of the game, and she’s from a distant land (wutai)

He was adopted by an Asian but his birth name was Carrot

Asian name

His name is Kakarot, a pun on the English word for Carrot

Asian Country

With Native Americans and a fake German Army in it?

Asian Fantasy character

The JttW parallels stop when they get to Pilaf, and regardless Wukong is not a human he’s a monkey. Goku unironically has more in common with Superman once Z starts.

I'm having fun with imagining meaningless parallels. Your insecurity and projection issues won't going to stop me from doing that.

people still trying to compare DBZ to reality

You’re spouting schizo babble about niggers and native Americans anon, it’s not insecure to say you sound retarded

i miss when anime and manga like dragon ball used to be common

The alien ancestry isn't revealed until DBZ, for most of DB he's just a generic looking Asian kid

With Native Americans and a fake German Army in it?

That's only after travelling, he starts off in a place with Daoist inspired temples and scenery that resembles the tianzi mountains.

The JttW parallels stop when they get to Pilaf, and regardless Wukong is not a human he’s a monkey

And Zeus isn't a human he's a god but you sure as shit doesn't imagine him as black or Asian lmao, he's Greek

for most of DB he's just a generic looking Asian kid

Nothing about him is distinctly Asian, in fact he looks nothing like the actual asians (Roshi, Krillin, Yajirobe, Tao Pai Pai). He’s drawn more like the european characters Toriyama drew in early Dragon Quest games.

That's only after travelling, he starts off in a place with Daoist inspired temples and scenery that resembles the tianzi mountains.

How far do you think they’re traveling? The world of DB is a hodgepodge of all different cultures and right outside Goku’s house there are dinosaurs. It’s close enough to the major American style city for Bulma to travel there easily.

And Zeus isn't a human he's a god but you sure as shit doesn't imagine him as black or Asian lmao, he's Greek

Zeus is a human shaped god you fucking retard, animals don’t have an ethnicity

It’s common, you just have to completely ignore the fanbases. Lots of great shonen these days.

As the guy who posted that first picture of Cloud, I feel so vindicated by this argument. Also,
I did say "intentional or not." Notice Tifa looks about as Asian as Yuffie.

You feel vindicated for losing an argument? What kind of reddit speak is this?

Yuffie being Asian is intentional, the land of Wutai is a foreign place, everyone else in the cast is distinctly not Asian especially not the blonde guy

Blah blah blah

I didn't even read your post because I'm too busy having fun. I won't stop.

he looks nothing like the asian characters who are only discernibly asian because of their black hair (if any) and name

And Goku has black hair and an Asian name

How far do you think they’re traveling?

Pretty far?

The world of DB is a hodgepodge of all different cultures and right outside Goku’s house there are dinosaurs

Dinosaurs don't mean anything, he's surrounded by temples and kung fu masters, his surroundings are Asian coded

Zeus is a human shaped god you fucking retard, animals don’t have an ethnicity

Who you imagine as a Greek guy because he's a Greek mythological figure, Wukong does everything a human can do he's just hairy and has a tail. He's an East Asian character and you're coping hard to imagine a guy named after him isn't intended to be Asian.

Imagine Japanese arguing over a fantasy character inspired by Butch Cassidy actually being Asian because his hair changes color 300 episodes in to his story, shit is retarded

I see Goku as a white man. Always have. If it were live action I'd cast an asian man and then CGI his face or something to a white man whenever he went SSJ. It just makes sense. A blonde spikey haired asian man just wouldn't evoke the same feeling. Goku just looks way too caucasoid.

I'm not the guy you're arguing with. I'm the first guy who's arguing for neither Asian nor white.

And Goku has black hair and an Asian name

1. White people can have black hair
2. This is Erdrick from Dragon Quest, a game based in European iconography and myth

Pretty far?

Reread/rewatch the show.

Dinosaurs don't mean anything, he's surrounded by temples and kung fu masters, his surroundings are Asian coded

You can ignore stuff all you want but last time I checked there weren’t Native Americans or nazi bases in China

Who you imagine as a Greek guy because he's a Greek mythological figure, Wukong does everything a human can do he's just hairy and has a tail. He's an East Asian character and you're coping hard to imagine a guy named after him isn't intended to be Asian.

I don’t imagine Zeus as anything, I read stories where he’s human shaped. Wukong is not human shaped, he’s a monkey, aka has no racial identification.

Imagine Japanese arguing over a fantasy character inspired by Butch Cassidy actually being Asian because his hair changes color 300 episodes in to his story, shit is retarded

I’d wager a good majority of Japanese people would like Goku being a white guy considering they worship white beauty standards and it shows in the fact that most anime characters look like white people

Goku just looks way too caucasoid

He doesn't though, it's only when he undergoes a magic alien transformation 300 chapters in that his hair becomes blond

Right and you’re wrong. They a little cartoonish and unrealistic but if you can’t tell remake Cloud is intentionally designed to be white you’re retarded

he looks nothing like any white guy ive ever seen because he is so androgynous, kinda like those kpop dudes

Forgot pic

Androgynous

KPop

You’re looking at a stylized animated person, but it’s a stylized animated white person. Do you have autism?

I always thought him and bulma looked white and krillin and roshi were asian even as a little kid

There are some characters that are obviously Chinese and some characters that are obviously white but most of them there's really no way to know what race they were meant to be.

it's only when he undergoes a magic alien transformation

Yeah good thing I preceded the sentence you quoted by saying

A blonde spikey haired asian man just wouldn't evoke the same feeling

This is a personal hangup. I always saw the super saiyan transformation and indeed many anime transformations as asian men and women attempting to present themselves as european by lightening their hair and skin and junk. Goku turns into a white man lol. I don't pretend that this had unintentional positive benefits to the character's global popularity.

No one looks like a 3d character model irl

Yeah and? Cloud never struck me as asian. It’s not like the character designs are Naughty Dog realistic anyway

I always saw the super saiyan transformation and indeed many anime transformations as asian men and women attempting to present themselves as european by lightening their hair and skin and junk. Goku turns into a white man lol

That’s literally what is happening. Goku was always meant to be white because most anime characters are (that aren’t directly in Japan as a setting)

White people can have black hair

Then why isn't Yajirobe just a fat white dude? He could be right?

The only thing left to go on is his name which looks Asian. Your example of Erdrick is a European character using a European inspired name. Okay. So if Goku was European he would have ... a European name. Does he? No. He has an Asian name.

You can ignore stuff all you want but last time I checked there weren’t Native Americans or nazi bases in China

Yep because they travelled to meet those people and the RR army has bases everywhere including in the Inuit inspired arctic locations

I don’t imagine Zeus as anything

Okay so would African Zeus be fine with you?

Wukong is not human shaped, he’s a monkey, aka has no racial identification

Monkeys literally are human shaped except with slightly altered proportions

I’d wager a good majority of Japanese people would like Goku being a white guy

Disagree

considering they worship white beauty standards

They like pale skin but that's not exclusively a white trait and many of their other standards are to do with lithe and slender figures which are pretty rare in the obese white world

most anime characters look like white people

Like the characters with blue and purple hair?

You're just identifying white the phenotypic diversity and then arguing that anime which uses lots of color and diverse styles must be white. In other anime it's even more explicit that characters have Japanese names are raised in Japan and attend Japanese schools, posses Japanese customs, etc etc.

You're just a coping we wuzzer, spiritually a nigger, asspained that your people have failed to produce anything of value recently so you parasitically latch on to superior products.

because most anime characters are

Literally zero proof of this
It's as inconceivable that a white person has blue hair down to their ankles as it is for a Japanese person to have the same
Yet that doesn't stop autists assuming every character with this level of phenotypic diversity must be white

White people can have black hair

No they can’t Antonio. Italians are not white.

I don't see why either of them are white

What white traits does Bulma have? Blue hair?

Yeah this is why people just shoot the shit and say

Man, Piccolo is black!

Vegeta is mexican!

it's a way for fans to immerse themselves in the series a step further. Liking a character takes another dimension the more you can see yourself in them or vice versa even when you have to squint to do it.

Goku was always meant to be white because most anime characters are (that aren’t directly in Japan as a setting)

I have always seen it as pandering. Like, Naruto wouldn't be half as popular if main character literally wasn't a little white boy. It's literal wish fulfillment. A 100% full blooded asian boy with 100% european features and it's popular as fuck and super blatant. Naruto is basically a smaller version of SSJ Goku, one of the most popular whitest characters to exist next to Sailor Moon, Char Aznable and plenty of other characters whose hair and eyes inexplicably turn from brown/black to blonde/red/ginger.

What makes Sailor Moon white?

Reminder: her name is Usagi Tsukino

Then why isn't Yajirobe just a fat white dude? He could be right?

The number 1 fancast for all of the 90s/2000s for Yajirobe was Jack Black lmao

The only thing left to go on is his name which looks Asian.

His name is Kakarot, and Goku isn’t a real name anyway that people have irl (at least at the time the manga was written)

Yep because they travelled

All on the same continent

Okay so would African Zeus be fine with you?

Are you stupid? Do you not see the flaw in your logic? A Greek human shaped god would be a greek human shaped. A monkey is monkey shaped. Wukong is not a human being nor is he shaped like one. Idk why you can’t wrap your head around it.

Monkeys literally are human shaped except with slightly altered proportions

More like humans are ape shaped, since we share an ancestor with them. Monkeys have no racial identification.

Disagree

You’d be wrong

They like pale skin but that's not exclusively…

There wouldn’t be a debate over the race of Japanese created characters if they applied their own beauty standards to them. Goku has western beauty standards. Big expressive eyes, sharp features, peach skin, and he’s taller than most of the cast.

Like the characters with blue and purple hair?

Characters like All Might, Naruto, hell even the distinctly Japanese mutt Joestars are white people. I can go on and on.

You're just identifying…

There are distinctly white anime characters you absolute fucking retard. Eren Jaeger and the Elric brothers, most of the cast of Monster, everyone from Berserk…everyone claimed Luffy HAD to be Asian until Oda came out and casted a Mexican himself. Of all the things Toriyama complained about DBE, the white Goku wasn’t mentioned a singular time.

You're just a coping we wuzzer

And you’re a seething Asian or an actual nigger that is asspained that white people are more sought after in your own media representation

Goku is a white Saiyan.

Bulma was a valley girl with blue eyes and lived in an American style city, I never once saw her as Asian. Mai was clearly Asian though.

It’s like putting up a picture of Sydney Sweeney and saying “this is Ryoto Mananaki, she’s Asian”. Asians don’t have blue eyes and blonde hair except in their animes where they LARP as white people.

Eh. Tifa is sorta Asian looking aside from the massive tits. Particularly in Asvent Children and beyond.

The number 1 fancast for all of the 90s/2000s for Yajirobe was Jack Black lmao

You literally gave him as an example of 'actual Asians' I'm asking you what about Yajirobe is so obviously Asian?

His name is Kakarot

Only revealed hundreds of chapters into his story and it's not a name that he actually goes by, it's basically a pejorative used by a handful of people mockingly.

and Goku isn’t a real name anyway

None of the names in DB/DBZ are real names but you can infer if a character is Asian based on how they sound, like how General Tao is vaguely Chinese sounding whereas Bulma could be anything

All on the same continent

Okay? Asia IRL is pretty big too

Are you stupid? Do you not see the flaw in your logic? A Greek human shaped god would be a greek human shaped.

So you DO imagine Zeus as a Greek character and would a mythological person misrepresented ethnically to be weird. Wukong is a monkey but analogous to a person which is why he speaks, has complex thoughts, and embraces buddhism. He's an avatar for (Chinese) humans.

Monkeys have no racial identification

Monkeys differ by location though

You’d be wrong

You have no proof of that and I'm not going to believe something just because you insist it's true.

There wouldn’t be a debate over the race of Japanese created characters if they applied their own beauty standards to them

They did though, Japanese beauty standards and white beauty standards just overlap in some ways. They're not firstly white standards and secondly Asian standards especially given how old some Asian cultures are.

But also, you're overexaggerating how many white people these days actually value those things. White people often try to tan, they don't idolize pale flawless skin very much at all.

Advent Children has the same problem the separate studio FMV cutscenes do in that the characters look white in game but suddenly asian (even Barrett) in the pre rendered scenes. The remakes designs were by an Italian guy, which is why in game cloud is distinctly white looking. Advent Children is no longer canon anyway and would be remade with remake graphics today

Goku has western beauty standards. Big expressive eyes, sharp features, peach skin, and he’s taller than most of the cast

Big eyes are nice to draw, sharp features play into him being a martial artist, 'peach skin' is meaningless he just has a normal skin tone, tallness isn't an exclusively white trait, what kind of arrogance do you have to have to even think like that?

There are distinctly white anime characters

I didn't say they weren't you moron, but now you've moved the goals from "most anime characters are white" to "there exist white characters in anime". Now watch you cope about this in the next post you bitter dishonest subhuman faggot.

And you’re a seething Asian or an actual nigger

Nope I'm white I just don't feel the need to parasitically leech off of the products of another culture like scum of the Earth such as you.

What makes Sailor Moon white?

The way she looks, dude. I don't care about her stupid name. A white girl is drawn on screen. I see a white girl an what I assume the creator projecting herself as a white girl because that's what she associates with beauty and/or that's what she sees herself as. Or would want to see herself as. It's absolutely ridiculous to me how Japanese people fail to see how absolutely comical and pathetic the entire thing is. The Japanese are clearly politely worshippinng european features by emulating their hair and eye color repeatedly and/or the height. Spike Spigel is CLEARLY a white man. I don't know a single American who has ever seen him as an asian.

I have fucked white twinks that look exactly like cloud

Advent Children is no longer canon anyway

Are your referring to re-make? I didn't play the second but in the first I thought it was a separate timeline consider the "time ghosts" and Zach being alive and heading to a portal to the re-make world. Nomura made them all and he is absolutely insane.

Just because america will be minority white in the future doesn’t mean that you have to force this cope on everyone else

with blue eyes

Curious how you don't mention her blue hair, almost as though the existence of people with natural blue hair calls into question whether "blue eyes" can actually be considered a white trait.

Asians don’t have blue eyes and blonde hair

White people don't naturally have blue or green hair yet there are characters like Sailor Mercury or Sailor Neptune who do

Is it possibly the case that you're focusing on a subset of the characters to support your shitty argument instead of considering that they existing in a world with extremely diverse nonhuman phenotypic styles and that blonde = white makes no sense because there's no obvious analog for green, blue, or purple hair?

where they LARP as white people.

Which white person has naturally blue or green hair?

It’s like putting up a picture of Sydney Sweeney and saying “this is Ryoto Mananaki, she’s Asian”

They don't want to see the difference. But hey I've seen people on here insist that women like Halle Berry is mediterranean.

Advent Children has the same problem

The problem with Advent Children was the TERRIBLE outfit they put Tifa in. It was anti-sex, it was anti-fun, it had...personality that didn't fit Tifa. It's why you never fucking see it cosplayed or put up anywhere. For the time being it was used heavily (especially by fat girls) because the outfit really hides the waist and tummy) and it was the only representation of Tifa anyone had since the games were over. Just actively nerfing the main appeal of Tifa: her aesthetic beauty. Because Tifa is as good as she looks. Inside and out. And that is a threat to portray correctly for some reason.

he's an illegal alien

I didn’t say they were right, only that they fancasted him. His distinctly asian features are his literal slanty asian eyes Goku doesn’t have lmao.

Kakarot is still his canon name. Goku is not an actual real name either, it’s like calling your kid Wukong. Real names or not, they look like distinct races.

Now you’re just being obtuse and gay. I’m not repeating myself about Native Americans in Asia again.

Wukong is not an avatar for Chinese humans, he’s a literal monkey. You may actually be retarded. If the stories about Zeus said he was a beetle god that only took the form of a human sometimes, he could be any kind of human. The stories say he’s a greek man, I’m not imagining it.

I’m not debating monkey ethnicities with you you fucking Asian subhuman retard

The proof is that 90% of anime characters do not have asian features. They draw characters like they hate themselves and love white people.

Robert Pattinson is like the ideal male objectified by whites and he’s pale, skinny, and fashion forward

When you see an anime character with green hair do you assume she's a white girl too?

Which white people naturally have green or blue hair? I would really like to know.

Is there a valley in Switzerland where they evolved this peculiar trait or a village in Estonia?

It's absolutely ridiculous to me how Japanese people fail to see how absolutely comical and pathetic the entire thing is

It's ridiculous that Japanese people draw cartoons with diverse and colorful styles? I don't see how. Does the existence of Paw Patrol mean whites want to be dogs you fucking moron?

You would have an argument if the characters were called Stacy and Karen and the setting was in the West but that's not the case at all. They live in a Japanese city, go by Japanese names, and do everything Japanese except for having colorful hairstyles which include blonde as well as green, purple, blue, etc

/thread

If he looked Asian he’d have slanted eyes like the other Asian characters, a bulbous nose, be yellow, etc etc.

No goal posts were moved, I’m saying that the beauty standards I speak of have established bases in white and uncertain/non-white characters. Many mangaka would outright cast non-asians for hollywood adaptations like Oda did if given the chance.

You’re probably some fat fucking loli obsessed weeb freak kek

All those hair colors are the mangakas way of saying “I really don’t want these people to all look the EXACT same and would like them to be diverse”. That has nothing to do with what I’m saying necessarily but yeah, Trunks has white hair but to me as a kid he looked like Leo could play him and I thought he was white.

A lot of the characters from MHA have whacky hair but look white (even though I know they aren’t”

are his literal slanty eyes

which none of the other supposedly asian characters have

Kakarot is still his canon name

yeah once they decide to make him a literal alien after having him as an Asian guy with an Asian name for the entire prequel, meaningless

Wukong is not an avatar for Chinese humans

He is though, he can speak, conceive of complex things, and becomes a Buddhist. What do you think Chinese zodiacs are about? They use animals as human avatars

he could be any kind of human

But you wouldn't imagine him as any kind of human you would imagine him as Greek or as Med at the least. Cmon just admit that African Zeus is weird as shit, as would be white wukong.

I’m not debating monkey ethnicities with you

No need to debate I'll educate you: you're a stupid chimp

he proof is that 90% of anime characters do not have asian features

They do though, you just assume if a feature is shared by whites and Asians that it is a white trait first and an Asian trait second

They draw characters like they hate themselves and love white people

They draw characters like they enjoy color and use that to make up for a lack of detail in the face lol

Robert Pattinson is like the ideal male objectified by whites and he’s pale, skinny, and fashion forward

Robert Pattinson is always sporting a beard or stubble, how many anime characters have that? Asian beauty standards idolize smooth faces and a clean appearance. Robert Pattinson is a good example of someone that satisfies many Asian standards but also satisfies many white standards some of which aren't shared.

*Latinx

Krillen, Muten Roshi, Tao Pai Pai, etc all have Asian eyes. Goku does not.

All these other points you just keep repeating yourself ad nauseam in some weird battle of attrition style debate tactic when in reality I and millions of others see Goku as a white guy and it’s ok because Toriyama’s dead and they’ll never do another live action ever again out of respect for him. Justin Chatwin will forever be your canon live action Goku

Not every Asian person has the same kind of eyes I don't know what to tell you lol

a bulbouse nose

No he'd have that if he was white which is often how mangakas draw white people, like many of the characters Naoki Urasawa draws. A bulbous nose or a nose with a high bridge.

I’m saying that the beauty standards I speak of have established bases in white and uncertain/non-white characters

I'm saying that Asian beauty standards and white beauty standards often overlap and did so even before extensive contact between Asia and Europe, so that it's retarded to call something a European or White beauty standard before you consider if another culture has an equally valid claim to it.

Many mangaka would outright cast non-asians for hollywood adaptations

Maybe they don't see a point in demanding racial accuracy for what is ultimately a Hollywood production

Yajirobe, Tao, and Krillin all have different eyes from each other

Goku's eyes actually look a lot like Tien's who is very Asian coded

Tien is also an alien you fucking retard, hahah

All those hair colors are the mangakas way of saying “I really don’t want these people to all look the EXACT same and would like them to be diverse”.

Yes I agree

The problem is when people focus on a small range of characters who are blonde and use that to say "this character is white" and conveniently forget to mention all the characters with impossible hair and eye colors.

???
An alien who looks Asian just like Goku

Do you think a character called Tien Shinhan is white? Lmao

You’re entirely missing my point:

Those whacky hair color characters all look white too because the entire ideal form for these mangaka are taking non-asian features and making their characters unique. MHA doesn’t have a single asian looking character and it’s set in Japan

You can't tell what race Toriyama characters are by their eyes, he even gives explicitly Chinese characters big round ones

Who looks Asian just like Goku

Goku doesn’t look Asian. Imagine debating dragon ball and not knowing Tien is also an alien, literally why he can grow multiple arms. He probably was adopted like Goku was.

Shut the fuck up, faggot.

round

The guy in the middle has droopy slanted chinese eyes

Green and blue hair do not look white, they're not 'white' features, you're a we wuzzing retard

because the entire ideal form for these mangaka are taking non-asian features and making their characters unique

Those features also happen to be non-white too. You're treating white features like they're the base substrate for all humanity as though a character becomes white if they're not extremely Asian looking.

MHA doesn’t have a single asian looking character and it’s set in Japan

Yeah because it's a fucking anime, they're cartoon characters with ridiculous designs

We wuzzing

Funny how you never responded to me calling you a fat loli obsessed faggot. Gokus white and you need to cope and stop writing essays because you’re embarassing yourself

Goku does look Asian, you have literally zero evidence except that his magical alien transformation 300 chapters into his story makes him white. As though white people are an alien race race lmao.

and not knowing Tien is also an alien

Actually my argument for Goku looking Asian applies the same with Tien
They have Asian sounding names, appear Asian, and do Asian kung fu, so they're Asian.

Why is the evidence for Goku being white? Please tell me I want to hear it

What's there to say? You've been wrong about everything you've said so far, you need me to tell you you're wrong on that too?

Funny how you never really engaged with me pointing out your culture has become a disgusting freakshow so you latch onto the products of another better society.

Why is that?

Why can't you make your own people and culture good? Why do you need Japan to give you what you should be capable of doing on your own?

You have literally zero evidence

You ignored what I said the entire thread, that doesn’t mean I have no evidence. I already posted the dragon quest art you completely ignored lmao, I explained how mangaka fetishize whites, his canon origins, etc etc at this point it’s agreeing to disagree and the people who read this thread in the future can decide for themselves because you have moved every goal post and schizo babbled for over an hour now

If Saiyans aren't white then why are all of Vegeta's attack names in English?

I engaged with everything you said and disproved and corrected almost everything. I can’t help that you’re arguing from a made up mind already. At one point you were talking about monkey ethnicity like a fucking retard

your culture

I thought it was our culture? I’m happy to be white and have a white buddy like Goku to make chinks seethe

I didn't ignore the art, I engaged with it. He used a European sounding (keyword: sounding) name for a character intended to be European. Okay. So why did he not use a European sounding name for Goku?

*cricket noises*

You establish one standard then fail to think it through. You don't even consider that the reverse argument applies too. Maybe he used a European sounding name for a character who is actually Asian. No no, it only goes one way and that's whatever makes characters white. Basically you're self centered and dim.

I explained how mangaka fetishize whites

And I patiently explained how you misidentify Japanese beauty standards as white ones whenever there's an overlap of commonality. Very stupid arrogant behavior.

at this point it’s agreeing to disagree

Okay fine by me.

green and blue hair

Get off or your fantasy fascination and stay on topic. I specifically listed blonde, red and ginger as the exotic hair colors that anime protagonists will be presented with having or, more often than not, are transformed into for visual effect. Obtaining lighter hair and lighter eyes. Turning white to win the day or overcome challenges and win the affection of their women.

My response to the name bit was that Goku isn’t a real name which you gave…

No true response and dodged around it.

Maybe he used a European sounding name for a character who is actually Asian

Again, it’s not my duty to spoonfeed you. Erdrick is a knight from a European fantasy land who has the exact same face as Goku. I see them both as white. This makes you seethe.

You didn’t explain anything either, you rambled on and on about overlapping features when in reality those “features” for japs come from hair die and surgery to look white. Idk what else to say to you, you may be retarded.

You added qualifying comments at most that only distracted from the root issue at hand, taking my salient points into ridiculous dead end discussions about whether a Chinese name is actually a name if it refers to a mythological character. (Very retarded of you).

I can’t help that you’re arguing from a made up mind already

Yes because you entered this conversation with an open mind, lol

At one point you were talking about monkey ethnicity like a fucking retard

Because you refused to acknowledge the point that a reference to a mythological character of a particular culture is a cultural reference that says something about a character's origin. "Uh no it's different because it's a monkey!" You force us into these nitpicky arguments and then get upset that we're nitpicking.

I’m happy to be white and have a white buddy like Goku to make chinks seethe

Why are you interested in making chinks seethe when they're making the shows you enjoy?

I'm unhappy to be white because our societies are ruined by retards like you who can't learn from someplace better and only set out to steal, corrupt, and destroy. You're just a weaponized autist directed at a place that can actually create beauty while you only create filth and shit from your mouth and ass.

Yes you specifically listed a subset of the hair colors available to make a point from cherry picked evidence. That's bad science.

You need to consider all the hair colors of the world in which the show exists. If it's a world with green, blue, purple, pink, and other impossible hair colors then you can't easily map race onto the show.

Tien is not an alien though. It is just Toriyama doing whatever the fuck he wants which is why editors are important.

Goku is Asian
Vegeta is white
Saiyans are a diverse race. That's why there's a dark skinned Saiyan in Dragon Ball Super.

b-but the pink and blues!

I like to use my imagination with those. Skin tone, general esthetic and tone are also influences. But more often than not anime is just Japanese guys and girls kissing up to the idea of being heralded as attractive as the european men and women they openly fantasize about. Or about how girly a man can look for some bizarre reason.

Erdrick isn't a real name either you retard, the point is that it SOUNDS European in the same way that Sun Goku SOUNDS Japanese and is drawn from a Chinese SOUNDING name.

You were happy for me to consider Erdrick as European off of that alone but you want to fight over it when it comes to Sun Goku you inconsistent bitch.

Erdrick is a knight from a European fantasy land

Fine by me

who has the exact same face as Goku

Shocking that an artist has a style that spans different media lol

I see them both as white

You can do what you want but it doesn't make it so

you rambled on and on about overlapping features

I wouldn't have to repeatedly make the point if you refused to acknowledge it until here where you're pathetically trying to explain it away. As though white people don't also get surgeries to augment their appearance.

Why is it so hard to imagine that two separate cultures can idolize pale skin? Why does that automatically become a white feature?

Look at this fucking gay reddit essay you wrote lmao salient points? You sound like a troon or something. You lost, Goku is white.

I accept your concession

Krillin and Goku have the same eyes.

Shocking that an artist has a style that spans different media lol

This is called moving goalposts btw, you’re now actually being mind broken enough to have your argument wrap around and do the things you accused me of doing kek

If Goku is white, does that mean Gohan and Goten are Hapas? Goku is a white guy with yellow fever?
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Reminder that if you use that word, you're a faggot.

Not in OG dragon ball

A gay reddit quip doesn’t mean you won it just means you’re gay. People can read the thread and make their own judgement, you’re now imploding into reddit essays which means you couldn’t articulate a point in the time span it took us to argue, which has now run out. You’re also not arguing with just me in here either because other people see you’re retarded as well

Not true, moving goalposts is when you claimed most anime characters look white and then started arguing that there exist some white anime characters later.

What I'm doing is explaining to you that if Goku/Wukong is not an Asian name because Asian people aren't called Goku then Erdrick isn't a European name because Europeans aren't called Erdrick. Of course it's about how the names sound and the surrounding setting. If that setting is European inspired then you have a point but in DB there is plenty of Asian influence especially early on.

You just want to have your cake and to eat it too.

When you stop putting forward arguments and start stupidly restating your claim as though I'll accept it off of the intensity of your words alone then it usually means you've lost. Sorry to break it to you like this. If you want to agree to disagree then that's fine but talking shit while trying to run away is beyond pathetic.

Hood weebs seething

Saying “not true” doesn’t automatically make the thing I said not true. This is how redditors argue, it’s an exhaustive tactic because you aren’t winning the actual argument. You think you can word me to death with circular arguments and repeating yourself when it just makes you seem like you’re mad you lost lmao.

I never stopped putting forward arguments. They’re clear as day for anyone to read, yourself included. It’s not 7am for me and I’ve argued with you for over an hour and you’re still so badly seething that you keep writing more essays. Time to let it go, troon.

More like Mexicans because they wish they were white like Goku.

You did stop putting forward an argument here Do you think calling someone gay and saying you lost is an argument?

You're doing that which you accuse me of. You suffer from a complete inability to introspect.

Chichi means breasts in Japanese so yes. Toriyama, Oda, Shimabukuro, Mashima, Kubo and all Japanese men are pedos

It’s not 7am for me and I’ve argued with you for over an hour

If you want to go to bed then go to bed nigger, I don't care and I won't assume you've lost or something either. I'm just being an asshole because you were being an asshole. The only thing keeping you here is your stupid pride.

Of course he’d have an asian name, he’s adopted as an alien. It doesn’t matter id it’s a retcon, toriyama retconned him into being whiter than toast and gave him blonde aryan powers

if you like big breasts you're a pedo

Really nigga?

Why does he remind me of Michael C Hall

There is no further argument, you’ve moved every goal post and world saladed everything I said. I leave it to the people to take what we said and decide for themselves.

Calling you gay is funny because it’s probably true yeah

hot
is that ai?

SAAAAAAAAARS LOOK AT MY EPIC PROOMPT HE IS THE CHAD BRAHMIN YOU ARE THE BLOODY BENCHOD SAAR

Cloud is canonically white though

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His father was a brownie. He looks like a light skinned ethnic at best.

Chi-Chi was twelve in DB, Shimabukuro was actually convicted, Oda defended him, Mashima has Wendy and Kubo seemed to imply Ichigo's underage sisters wanted his dick. Being a pedophile and living big tits isn't exactly exclusive. You can like both.

Goku is white. Go ahead and render an asian man with spikey blonde hair and colored eyes and see if the heroic aesthetic associated with Goku is still present.

Goku is white. Go ahead and render an asian man with spikey blonde hair and colored eyes and see if the heroic aesthetic associated with Goku is still present.

I never get why you wignats are so desperate to gaslight us into thinking he's white. This means that one of the few white characters in the series is a drooling retard.

I see no render.

US: 1 JP: 0

You can't see your own dicklet, Amerifatt.

GT Goku actually is Latinx

I accept your concession. Goku is white.

I accept your concession. You're morbidly obese.

hes asian from a planet of asian people that go white after going monkey

Hey here's that Japanese guy I was telling you about.

They're literal apes, yeah. Violent too. Retarded as well. They're more like asians and blacks than anything else.
Super saiyan is about as relevant as a musket rifle to an AK-47. There's like a billion forms now, stronger ones. Are we gonna call Goku a libtard or a troon because his hair can go blue? Kek.

but thats not his normal form is it

You lost, you’re now being outnumbered

zero asian renders

Japan stays losing.

Pretty much.

Well I just defeated my own argument. He legitimately does look like an asian man with contact lenses. Welp, I was wrong and I take back everything I said. Sorry for being overbearing with the shitposting.

Based anon for owning up to his mistakes. No one else would do this. Yeah. Irl he would look like picrel, just adult.