nice job beating your dad luke, wanna betray everything you stand for and become my apprentice for no reason and kill all your friends with me?
isn't this guy supposed to be a master manipulator? in what universe would this ever work?
Nice job beating your dad luke...
If it work for him in the past it would've worked again
Well you have to understand it’s a galaxy of retards and he has slightly below mid IQ So by comparison he’s already winning.
He could have never predicted the chosen one of having average IQ
anakin was already beginning to hate the jedi and see them as no better than the sith, or his childhood slave masters for that matter, and he also thought siding with palpatine was the only way to save his wife
sheev offered luke literally nothing. not even a "i'll spare your friends if you join me"
vader was plotting to kill him the whole time
he was senile.
same reason he conjured up the dumb plan of giving away the existence of the second death star to the rebels.
His masterplan with Rey was actually shown in the Sequel trilogy. Luke didn't really matter.
He doesnt give a damn, hes just giving him an option to not be instant bug zapped
As a kid I always just assumed his dark side magic can compel people to turn and serve him. But maybe George is just an idiot.
Luke doesnt hold the cards
The best justification I've seen is that the dark side is addictive, and Luke was heavily tapping into it throughout episode 6. Sure that might make him evil but that doesn't mean he's gonna serve Sheev.
"Luke! You can destroy the Emperor! He has foreseen this! It is your destiny!"
Go to swing on the Emperor to kill him
Vader blocks your attack
The fuck? Why? Vader just got done planning to betray the Emperor and kill him through his son a movie ago
just grabs him and throws him down a well?
Kind of anticlimactic. Can’t sheev fly?
Imagine if after Vader blocked Luke's saber here, Palpatine started saying "Goooood, Vader, very goo--" and then Vader just moved his saber and cut Palpatine's head in half.
For 30 years?
No but he can force jump to a new clone body. Lol stupid boomer this ain't your fat star wars now
It was one of the most shit deaths for the final boss in any movie. Thrown off a ledge like some luggage, with his zappy hands trailing all the way down with him. You'd think a space warlock with untold evil power would be at the least able to float
Luke, join with me and rule the galaxy or I will murder all of your remaining friends and mindrape your sister, my daughter, into submission
>A Few Moments Later
NOOOOOOOOOOO, EMPEROR PALPATINE THAT'S MY SON, WHAT ARE YOU DOING?! BY THE WHILL OF THE FORCE, WHAT HAVE I DONE? I AM REDEEM!
I hate Return of the Jedi so much it's unreal
Vader was the final boss. The muscle. The actual main antagonist is usually non-action and beaten on a more ideological basis
Yeah, Vader's sudden heel turn, after he just got done saying he was going to do all sorts of ill shit to Luke's sister, was retarded. The Ewoks tank that movie by themselves, but a lot of the other characterizations doesn't help the movie either
The Emperor is so fucking cool...
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he was super depowered after mustafar and given a suit that was designed to be easy for palpatine to kill him with lightning in. he still dies even after he kills sheev.
6 is actually the worst SW movies (i'm not counting the Disney trilogy here of course). it's just an absolute painful slog that exhibited the worst of Lucas' traits such as his penchant for merchandising in favor of telling a good story.
its the dark side thats tempting
The suit was only so bad because of budgetary limitations and lack of effective equipment. The Emperor wasn't aware of this, and 2-1B/DRX ordered for Vader's helmet to be waxed with woodoo hide in the hopes that the resulting shine would distract the Emperor from the shortcuts they were forced to implement.
this book blows all other star wars media out of the water
Vader tells him "give yourself to the dark side, it is the only way you can save your friends" so that was something.
What I got out of it is that Vader still believed somewhere on the back end that Palpatine can "fix things" if Vader just submitted to him or waited for his turn to be the top Sith around.
Basically it's a sunken cost fallacy. To go against Palpatine would mean Vader was wrong all this time and so on.
It took Palpatine to try to fry Luke in front of him for Vader to decide enough is enough.
It worked. Not only does Luke die but Palpatine's bloodline lives on through Rey while all the Skywalkers are eradicated from existence. Sheev won.
It worked because he had something to actually temp Anakin and Anakin was already on the fence with the council. Luke has nothing to be tempted with besides the safety of his friends, they already killed his family there is no reason for Luke to join the empire
He tempted Anakin with the claim that he could use the dark side to resurrect Padme, yet Anakin never brought that up once Padme died. So Anakin flipping made zero sense either.
That would subvert my expectations and therefore be good writing.
He’s got a ballsack for a head.
Ah, but after a particularly harsh dressing down after Vader failed in a task Palpatine threatened to use force lightning on Vader because he was well aware that it would short circuit his suit.
Imagine it this way.
Palpatine is the grandpa, Vader is the father and Luke is the grandson.
Palpatine is sitting on real estate worth 5mil. Vader is waiting for Palpatine to croak so he can inherit the whole thing and finally be his own man. But Palpatine is abusive and Vader has to put up with his shit in order to wait for his turn and not get written out of the will, but this is taking TOO LONG and Vader is getting pissy. He doesn't really have a solution but is trying to get Luke to side with him instead of grandpa's promises of being written into the will as well. Palpatine knows he can leverage this against either one of them and play them against each other.
In the end Vader has had enough of abuse after realizing grandpa is going to take too long to die and start being abusive towards Luke as well and finally the day of the pillow arrives. Vader does a murder-suicide to take out Palpatine and Luke can inherit the real estate without getting his hands dirty.
Vader was just some weirdo sidekick in a suit. He was a bond villain's henchman or the kind of "miniboss" action heroes fight to begin the final third of the movie.
haha rey you're so fucking cooked rn lmoa as soon as you cut me down in anger I'll take over your tight young female body and become immortal and you'll die I guess idk
so uhhhhh get with the cutting down in anger, please, thank you
any time now
You're a weirdo no-kick in a gimp suit.
Pretty sure Luke killing his dad in a fit of rage when he had set out to try and redeem him, and the whole mess just leading to everyone and everything he cared about dying, would compromise Luke, yeah. There's a reason Luke's vision in the cave on Dagobah of his face under Vader's helmet is in the exact middle of the trilogy. One of Star Wars' big themes is everyone has a dark side and needs to be aware of it.
Palpy isn't a master manipulator because he can convince people of stuff (though he can do that too), but because he preys on people's inner darkness and manipulates /that/. That's what the Sith do. He preyed on Anankin's doubts, mommy issues, pain and fear of losing his wife and children, and it was exactly because Anakin was so anxious about loosing Padme what caused him to lose her, and he never noticed there was no ground beneath his feet until it was already too late.
anakin was already beginning to hate the jedi and see them as no better than the sith
Was this covered in the animated series I didn't watch?
This. Vader was never even an actual dark sider. He immediately courts Luke and tries to backstab Palpatine at the first opportunity. He was basically a battered housewife.
It's a ritual. By killing his father out of anger, Luke is acting out the Sith world view and is therefore initiated into the order.
The emperor is a stupid character in the OT
If Luke killed the Emperor, he'd fall to the dark side. Vader was saving his son.
You did it. You killed it. Now cut me down before anything else shows up.
Does it look like I can move? You have to cut me down, first.
You fool, why should I share the treasure with anyone?
if Luke killed the Emperor, thereby saving his friends and millions of lives and winning the war, in a totally logical and moral decision, that would make him a bad guy
Stop trying to apply your retarded Batman logic to Star Wars
No he was just some evil wizard in the OT
Based knower. Luke and Vader could've fucked up the emperor but they were being classy about it.
Why didn't Luke just wait to confront Vader/Palpatine after helping disable the shield generator and/or disabling the Death Star II? I don't get it. How does dying for an ego-driven lost cause the Jedi way?
Truth be told, I agree; it's retarded he blocked the attack and I'm just playing devil's advocate and try to find a reason for it. We don't know the full rules of murder in the Star Wars universe looking at just the original trilogy. Maybe any murder, even justified, sends a jedi to the dark side. We already know fear, an otherwise neutral emotion, is associated with the dark side, so maybe any murder is the same way. If we assume that part of Vader is still light attuned, then perhaps he blocked the attack to save his son's soul and prevent him from committing a murder. Alternatively, if we assume Vader is, as others have said, a battered housewife, then he blocked the attack because he hates Palpatine but still thinks Palpatine is his best chance at power and success and sides with him begrudgingly.
He's a retard, JJ was just being faithful to the character
Vader tried to turn Luke on his own but in that case Luke would be trained by him under the radar and then plans would've been made to topple the Emperor somehow eventually. Things needed to go a certain way for that to come to pass.
At the throne room however, having Luke kill the Emperor then and there would complicate matters. First of all Vader is more resigned to his fate and the Emperor would feel scheming coming from him a mile away. It's only later when Luke is fried and Palpatine is fully distracted does Vader lash out.
But at the moment of Luke trying to strike Palpatine Vader likely was playing along with the theater. In his mind Luke had to be turned first, then later on things will be figured out.
This was winging it the whole time
His stats were like
5/10 strength
6/10 intelligence
4/10 charisma
10000000/10 luck
Good effortpost. This anon gets it