Was it justified?
Was it justified?
Not really, no.
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Vincent D'Onofrio is one of the best and most versatile actors of all time. He mogs the so called a listers like Cruise ,Pitt or DiCaprio.
He played Edgar Suit? TIL.
bro was the pre-mark ruffalo
why did they just sit him down and tell him to leave because he was not fit for war?
yes. A single weak link can put the entire unit in danger. Either get with the program or quit. If you insist on dragging everyone down with you, you will face consequences. In Vietnam people like that were straight up killed by their units and the COs turned a blind eye
Wasn't it for getting them all a shit ton of push ups over a donut? A blanket party is a bit excessive for that. I'd be more concerned about every pussy in the group who got that angry over push-ups IN THE ARMY.
We only see the push-ups but it's likely they were getting punished in other ways too.
Depending on what, could be fair. They were conscripts, too, so they were itching for something to vent on, even if it was an over-reaction.
in other ways too
d.. d-do americans really?
That's part of the marine conditioning, yes. The drill sergeant punished the other recruits because they want to instill that one marine's fuck up is all marines' fuck up. That's why the marine collective punishes the faulty marine in turn.
The goal of military academies and shit like that is to brainwash 'civilians' into being mindless canon meat.
we also see him being a total fuckup in everything except shooting, though. it wasn't just the donut, but the donut being there proves he wasn't about to change his mindset and he'd continue to make the rest of their lives hell
Fair enough.
Either get with the program or quit
They were drafted. Pyle should have been given an auxiliary job.
I dunno man, it doesn't sound to bad to be turned into a badass.
Pyle was apparently a crack shot so that was probably enough to keep Hartman from giving up on him. plus he does get his shit squared away (outwardly) not long after he gets the soap, even hartman tells him "you are definitely born again hard". the training worked, it just worked a little too well
when i was in the army training some guy fucked up and we spent 3 hours inside a lake when we were supposed to be sleeping
we got back to the barracks and the same guy dived into his pillow to find several needles hidden in it, had a nasty eye infection for weeks
You sound like the perfect candidate to become a grunt. Mindless, obedient, aggressive.
And I'm mindful, rebellious, and demure. How are my chances?
Martial bitch
because they want him to try harder, not quit.
I don't know what that means but if it involves pegging I'll take it.
nowhere in the movie did it say he was drafted
soldiers are tired at the end of the day. they do a shit ton of training and just want to rest. they don't want to do more exercise.
i saw a video were some marine in japan got a dui and every marine on that base was punished even though most of them didn't even know who he was.
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And now they all feel resentment for a person they never knew existed. See how this works? This is how they create enemies out of thin air to get the soldiers cranked up when they're deployed.
I'd be more mad at the leadership/drill sergeant if he had us do that instead of individually punishing the one person who screwed up.
holy shit, never knew that was him in those roles
reputation also factors in. if your soldiers are being assholes to the locals it creates needless friction. if your soldiers understand that one person fucking up causes the group to suffer, they will self police and hold each other accountable (like they did in the movie with Pyle)
Like I said, it's brainwashing. At the point where they're in a barrack in a foreign country, the conditioning is set in, authority is unquestionable, and they will just punish their peer.
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Why didn't they just rape him instead?
Sounds like a gay man, or a tranny
I still find it absurd that guys got plucked right off their idyllic 70's suburban homes and sent to kill people.
Like, it feels too recent.
I wonder if we're really gonna do the same once ww3 kicks off.
Vietnam was in the 60s
it's so weird that there aren't any good iraq/afghanistan movies
Oh, I forgot to mention. Vietnam was just a way to segregate and cull the young lower-class boomer male population because it grew too large.
Collective punishment works cause an officer won't be around 24/7 to make sure nobody's acting retarded and other soldiers may not give a shit to stop someone from acting retarded if they got no stake in it.
It's not always bad. My country has conscription and in the year I was in the army it mostly meant tardwrangling the tards and helping them, not beating anybody, though I've heard it still happens.