Why'd the movies hate Cyclops so much?

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Wolverine is the chief X-Men

hmm

Cyclops is the best. You are gay and dumb. Probably not white either.

Because he’s violent and cool and is down and dirty. Cyclops meanwhile is a Boy Scout, teacher’s pet, and a scold. He’s preppy as fuck

That guy looks like he picked his nose too much and it stretched his nostrils open.

No, he’s gay even to white people

You mean he's retarded and self-centered and cowardly?
Meanwhile Cyclops actually gets shit despite doing shit by the books?
That's funny. He's so talented that even when he sticks to the rules, he still manages to bend them enough to save mutant kind, unlike midgetverine lol.

Cyclops is the main character of the x-men,

Not really, and depending on the specific era he wasn't even on the x men anymore.
Even then the x men were split up into two teams (no superalitive) x-men, and uncanny. Cyclops led the blue team, while storm and jean ran the gold team under uncanny. Then you get other spinoff titles like x factor, new mutants, and then the various solo and mini series.
Currently storm has her own book, and is on the avengers.

Cyclops meanwhile is a Boy Scout, teacher’s pet, and a scold. He’s preppy as fuck

That's really just the 90's cartoon and reboot of x-men with jim lee.
Cyclops has been all over the place, and has gone off the deep end on more than one occasion.
The x men right now are in a pretty shitty state, they did a really awful reboot to get everything back to status quo and its just been a lot of awful crap.

mean he's retarded and self-centered and cowardly?

Yes. He’s rough and tumble and has personable character conflict and goes into a berserker frenzy and fought in all the wars and is an asshole soldier and can muster up a heart of gold when needed while still seething at the teeth brutalizing some enemy.
Meanwhile though I agree Cyclops is a more admirable person and a put-together guy, he is truly just not as cool. Great leader, great fighter, yadda yadda, but does it make him cooler than Wolverine? No

My favorite xmen are Spider-Man and the Human Torch

This is a page of a guy awkwardly torturing someone, though. Come on, give me something I can go by here

Also a huge problem with cyclops is that he's also been responsible for a lot of really awful drawn out arc that go nowhere with ENDLESS summers brothers, half brothers, time travel duplicates, your kid with your wife's evil clone who grew up in the future went to a double double alternate timeline and met another distant summers relative and brought her back, and better not forget him and havoc just don't get along.
Do you like Mr. Sinister? Of course not, but this nigger is going to do everything he can to make sure scott impregnates shit so he can make the ultimate super powered summers (like more than fucking once).

How is this any cooler than a guy just pushing needlines into someone’s face. He even explains it’s literally just concussive force. If punisher did this with a hammer it’d be 10x cooler, but this is literally just a guy toggling his glasses so he can do bad acupuncture

Guys I’m sorry but his power is fucking laser vision. Now don’t get me wrong, I absolutely love a gigantic optic blast, but for an X-Men character, they gave him the most one-note fraction of previous hero’s like Superman’s power. He’s really the least clever and interesting superhero design in the X-men

Being retarded doesn't make you cool, anon.
It just makes you an inept loser, like midgetverine, and unlike Chadclops, who all the hottest psychics in Marvel obsess over because of how mentally focused and in control he is. Meanwhile the hairy dwarf has to snoop around pre teens because he's fucked up his own life so much that every woman who was once his own age is gone due to his own irreversible mistakes. Midgetverine is basically the self-insert for faggots who think they deserve everything just for being an annoying autist whereas Scott is the role model for adults who actually have to put in the modicum of effort in their endeavors to reap the rewards of them.

That's the whole point of both their characters.

. Meanwhile the hairy dwarf has to snoop around pre teens because he's fucked up his own life so much that every woman who was once his own age is gone due to his own irreversible mistakes.

/ourguy/

this, it's pretty simple, both fill a niche

The world is big gay. Wolverine is like 6-8 on X-Men pecking order.

1. Prof X
2. Cyclops
3. Jean
4. Storm
5. Nightcrawler
6. Shadowcat

Because Cyclops has to use those concussive blasts properly via having the best precision and direction in Marvel or else the mutants in any given combative situation are fucked.

Sounds about right for most capeshitters.

trying this hard to slander Wolverine

and your argument is Cyclops is a really good, clean boy

Yeah and you can ask the world why Wolverine rules and Cyclops sucks, they’ll use your defense of him as their reason, because nobody really cares that some fictional guy really excelled in being normal. People like that in real people, but in the thrill-seeking genre of pulp comics, it’s pointless.

Because his power is that his eyes open a portal to the punch dimension.
It's fucking retarded.

The only good capeslop character is Daredevil

I grew up with Xmen the Animated Series. I didn't read comics because I may have been an autistic fag but I wasn't THAT much of an autistic fag. Even before he was THE GUY because of Singer's X-Men with Huge Jackedman, Wolverine was THE GUY. Singer Xmen just cemented him even more as THE GUY. But he was always THE GUY. He was who you played of the X-Men in Marvel Vs. Capcom. He was who you rooted for in the Jean Cyclops Wolverine love triangle. He was the guy. Nobody fucking liked Cyclops. Cyclops is nerd-coded. He's straight laced and shit and can't even function normally without wearing glasses. We wanted the cool 90s appropriate badass guy.

and yeah Singer made that 100% cemented

does it hurt?

every time

This but unironically. Also, the OG mutie is the best mutie.

How is Namor a mutie? Isn't he just half-atlantean?

This is so fucking unimpressive. Do you think comics are real life or something? You should have posted the big fuckip explosions first, that’s whats cool about Cyclops, but instead you posted a drawing of him using his laser for no fucking reason to prod a needle that would hurt just as bad if any non-professional did it, and it’s a purely verbal text-based feat. There’s no accuracy in that drawing, there’s nothing worth looking at in it, the only piece of information is cyclops saying in an even tone ‘my lasers actually only do what anything’s that hits something else does, they’re not even lasers actually, and I am accurate’. Wow bug whoop. Waste of a visual medium and it sucks you’re bragging his real superpower is ‘restraint’ when the actual best labels of him are when he doesn’t use any and acts like fucking Wolverine

You really don't have to try that hard to slander an annoying faggot who throws a fit over the smallest things, who also doesn't even know how to fight properly which is what the claws are for in the first place, and who also happens to be shorter than most of the underaged girls he tries to molest lol. Midgetverine sucks, always has. It's why even a dork like Spider-Man is able to kick his shit in regularly. Marvel has like a dozen other more well-rounded anti-heroes who offer way more in terms of character depth, variability, and badassery too. That's the funny part about it. He's just.......there. And there to be mocked by his own much younger teammates, who should practically be toddlers compared to him, too.

based take t b h
the wings on his feet

Honestly sounds cooler than forkhands lol

Why'd the movies hate Cyclops so much?

try Rogue

getting this autistic over a children's book page

Only midgetverinefags could

Are you a fucking schoolteacher grading your kids on obedience? It’s a pulp comic, the guy who looks like a beast who roars and explodes into a flurry of blades and blood and smokes a cigar while shit talking nerds, is the winner.

It's called inferiority complex. He's mad Wolverine became the most popular X-Man and not the actual leader of the team.

You started it, retards, the rest of the world knows Wolverine is THE X-Man, and you’re the ones who have to come in and pretend that doesn’t make sense, to live with it

normies who don't read the slop you're so adamantly defending know about a completely flanderized version of some faggy kid's character

Neat? Funny how Chadclops still infuriates you this much tho.

Yeah I don't have a dog in the Wolvie vs Cyclops fight but DD has beaten both.

inb4 pic for ants

Can't be arsed

Are you another fucking faggot throwing a hissyfit that your gay self-insert is getting called out like the pouty manchild he was literally conceived as? Lol. There's nothing you or anyone else can do to convince me that a bitch who lets THIS happen to him is in any way "cool" or "interesting." That sounds autistic.

you're just jelly dude it's ok to admit it

the dwarf can't even beat a disabled man

Has he ever actually beaten anyone of note, to begin with? Or are the claws there for him to try and scratch himself with because he can't be fucked to take a shower like all his fans.

honey, watch your mouth.

To be fair, DD's radar sense is literally superior to the Spider-sense, based on their mutual creator's word. I'm sure both would eventually beat DD, but he is more agile than them and has enough tricks up his sleeve to keep up a good fight.
As for Wolverine, jobbing is a part of every character's repertoire sooner or later, but I feel like he has jobbed more often due to being able to regenerate, i.e. he's a good crash dummy in a way.

midgetverinefags use gen z terminology

No wonder you're all so butthurt over me making fun of an actual dwarf lol
You're all too retarded to even come up with a meaningful argument for him to begin with. xD

Ah yes.
The guy that keeps leaving the xmen for years at a time is the chief.

No it's not. It's range could potentially be better to pick up threats from further away, but Spider Sense literally kicks in before the danger happens. Spider-Man can genuinely see the future due to his connection to the web of fate, just like Madame Web, but with a shorter range.

no, I recognized your autism, you've seethed like this on Anon Babble too
it's just time to admit you're jealous

Spider-Man can genuinely see the future due to his connection to the web of fate, just like Madame Web, but with a shorter range.

How did a radioactive spider do this???

wolverine was designed to be lame ;_;

How ridiculous are you? He was designed to be unstable and wild, but not lame. Lame characters don’t have metal bones and don’t regenerate their own hearts. Youve lost it man

Spider-Man gets carried by his enhanced physiology. If you gave DD the same physical stats he'd win in a straight up fight. He has already held his own against him and he's just a blind guy.

Isn't it kind of offensive and ablist to call him Cyclops?

thinks anyone on Anon Babble even goes there outside of the tismy midgetverinefags who are currently crying up the whole thread

And that was your first mistake, anon.

you're quite literally the singular person on any board who seethes like this about wolverine so you're easy to spot
just let it go, it wasn't in the cards for cyke to be the most popular x-man and that's ok

So because Stan Lee doesn't know about how Spider-Man's powers work, that somehow gives Ray Charles ova here a leg up? Especially when Spider-Man has already mastered the way of the spider martial art which Matt wouldn't even know the existence of or how to counter anyway? And when Matt himself has admitted that even with his enhanced senses, he can't even keep up with a Spider-Man who was still holding back so as to not kill Daredevil immediately. Also idk how this changes anything when they both still regularly bully the hairy manlet.

Lol psylocke a goof :*)

the guy who partook in creating these characters doesn't know how their powers work

Good one anon.

he can't even keep up with a Spider-Man

He kept up with Spider-Man when Otto was in his body. Again, it's obvious Spider-Man has advantages, but pound for pound, what DD does is more impressive since he's Ray Charles like you said.

Not so fast there, sport.

These smart people also know how shit midgetverine is.

Daredevil is on par with guy he admits he can't beat at all

Right. Like you said, he's the Ray Charles of Marvel. It's why he regularly gets taken out by powerless weaklings like Punisher and Bucky.

/thread

the Ross of the x-men

who are the rest of the Friends cast?

Wolverine is the chief because he.......ummmm......oh dear

If you read comics you'd know he beats the Punisher in practically every fight they've had, with maybe 1 or 2 exceptions.
And by the way, the Punisher with prep time could kill Spider-Man. He's had him at his mercy before, trapped in a net with nowhere to go.

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the fuck is this

Wolverine is Kramer

Nitin Sawhney performing "Sunset" on KCRW.

Punisher with prep could ki-ACK

This is the guy who makes blind boy shit himself regularly btw

If it's so regular, why does DD beat him in 9 out of 10 instances? He also beat US Agent so Bucky is a non-factor as he's not enhanced on that level.

That stool must be made out of Adamantium

implying wolverine wouldn't btfo cucklops

This just means Black Widow scales over Spider-Man.

A little pesticide could beat both of them, ez work

she can scale on this dick

I can't explain it but i just want to punch this guy in the face.

Your own midget dwarfverine outright said bucky would kill daredeviL so
Take his word on it ig

supposed to be a decent match for the Hulk

gets his shit pushed in by Cyclops

Sniktfags eternally BTFO

Rachel is Jean
Wolverine is Chandler
Monica is Rogue
Phoebe is Storm
Joey is Nightcrawler

Ginger's primary villain who he regularly struggles to fight is the fatso who Spider-Man used to dance around so much they had to give him to daredeviL
Oof

I said I have no dog in the Cyclops vs Wolverine fight, just found it funny how both have been beaten by a blind guy.

>gets his shit pushed in by Cyclops

yeah right lmao

Who mentioned anything about Cyclops? I'm saying the blind guy loses to the amputee senior citizen lol
Guess that's why widow chose bucky in the end

He's had him at his mercy before, trapped in a net with nowhere to go.

never happened

He allows Scott to win. Even Wolverine wants to bottom sometimes

It hasn't been done so taking a guess on who would win is pointless. I go by shit that actually happened.
It has. He's not bulletproof either.

Ik lol
Imagine losing to Cyclops
Couldn't be me :/

doesn't have an argument except confirming that midgetverine is a fag

I mean.....I'm not surprised
Just disappointed

wolverine regenerated from a nuke so this is nothing

Stan Lee doesn't know about how Spider-Man's powers work

He invented spider chuds powers.

admits he's retarded

Many such cases with capeshitters sadly
Franky should've died here btw, but he got saved by plot armor. Also, many such cases with shitty written characters.
And midgetverine still confirms that the amputee senior citizen pushes devilfag's shit in.

Stan Lee is an old jew so the modern writers of course had to fix it for him lol
And that doesn't change the fact that Spider-Man also pushes blind boy's shit in even if you remove Spider-Man's superior mental powers lol.

This isn't the only instance where Punisher could've killed him though, I gave a specific example with the net and I backed it up.
And again, Spider-Man isn't bulletproof but when moviefags who don't read comics try to sound educated on the subject they fail because they don't know what they're talking about.

You know there are more than 2 people here, right?

NTA but the web of fate retcons are gay so Stan Lee's word > modern woke writers

The fans are the ones who decide the MC, dumbass. Wolverine is the main character.

Why'd the movies hate Cyclops so much?

Because the movies wanted to focus on Wolverine, than be about the X-men.

Cyclops was a cool character in the 80s and 90s, there was plenty of story to make a movie out of with Pryor, Nathan, Stryfe, and Apocalypse.... but nooooo.... we needed more Jackman.

mental powers

/WoWfag

to be fair, daredevil was created mostly by bill everett (namor's creator), stan just took the credit

LOL THIS NIGGA GOT SHUMPED!

Gambit best boi, everyone knows it

the power of mental illness.

They didnt know what to do with his character since hes supposed to be the guy that eventually takes over, but charles and wolverine were already the main leader guys and adding more would make it too crowded. They decided to keep him getting cucked repeatedly by jean in though

Read

This statement alone debunks all the daredevilfags in this thread lol
Bro still loses to a nerdy simp sadly

How is Namor a mutie?

He's half-human, half-atlantain... or something like that, never read those books, desu.

They did the same thing with Spiderman too. Back in the 90s, Marvel had this thing with making connections to the X-men or mutants because all the X-men titles out sold the rest. It was the only title competing with Image at the time.

Even though Namor is the second oldest mainstay character, aside from Captain America, his title wasn't selling, so they pushed for him to be "the FIRST mutant" thinking they can piggyback on the X-men.

Same thing with Spiderman, trying to make him out to be a mutant, because after the failed Spider Clone saga, they had to try to make Spiderman good again.

Even with Fantastic Four or Avengers, they loaned out some X-men to join their team just to boost sales.

...and it seems the MCU is playing the same game, by referring to Ms.Marvel as a mutant too, because everyone knows she fuckin' sucks in the comics and on screen.

These aren't "mental powers", ESL. And I already acknowledged Spider-Man has more powers. It doesn't discount the fact that a blind guy has kept up with him, not to mention Venom who is Spidey's superior in every way.

Sugah, hush.

Punisher's head should've went flying off his body if he was hit hard enough to fly through concrete lol
The nigga is just a regular guy
Also Spider-Man dodges bullets regularly, both because of his own physicals and the clairvoyance that is the spider sense, so irdk what your point is. Guys like punisher and daredevil are small fishes in big ponds.

Zoomers make everything better!

le rough and tumble

We got a juden peterstein fag over here

All it takes is 1 bullet, and there have been instances where Punisher has had the opportunity to pull the trigger. It wouldn't be in-character for him to do it. But there's also a reason why he debuted as a Spider-Man villain.

Hush sugar.

I hate the artist that worked on this page, I don't remember his name but he was all over Marvel comics in the 00s

Even pre-movies Wolverine was more popular than the boy scout

using inconsistent as shit writing

Hey, I can do that too. Guess Spider-Man solos the whole avengers now, who never even let blindey join their team, until like the bendis run where they had barely any other people who'd even join the team, because matt was originally too weak to even be a part of the og team.

by the power of putting hacks in the writer's chair
they also did similar shit with the hulk, but the one below all storyline was somewhat better

Cyclops is the original leader and the guy that ends up with Jean.
With a huge part of the story after Professor X and Magento's relationship being around Cyclops and his family as he leads the X-Men. His relationship with Jean and Madelyne Pryor, his son being Cable, his brothers Havok and Vulcan.
And Cyclops' relationship with Wolverine.

The Fox movies were originally afraid to be to Comic Book book like. They wanted hero movies. Wolverine made a good action hero and they leaned on that. But they failed to make X-Men interesting, because they didn't understand the importance of Cyclops. They probably also didn't really want to pay for all the cgi beams they would need if they focused on him.

1 bullet that franky will never be able to get given he can't even tag daredevil who's weaker than spider-man lol
It's so over for punisherfags......

But I already acknowledged Spider-Man has more tricks up his sleeve. I just said I found it funny how a blind guy has kept up with (and in some cases beaten) metahumans.
You're the one who is frantically trying to prove to me that a cripple will lose a fight to someone who can lift 25 tons, can shoot webs and has a precognition sense.

Sure lol
Midgetverine is the ptsdfag they all make fun of
Cyclops is the symbol of all mutants
Take a hint on who's actually important and who's just a wartorn faggot who just gets used as a human shield for the rest of the team that actually matters lol.

Spider-man is literally me

Same

Is there a worse example of favoritsm/popularity power up than Wolverine? Nigger has Cell from DBZ tier regeneration

1 bullet that franky will never be able to get given

That it wouldn't make storytelling sense* FTFY
Otherwise, yes, he absolutely could kill Spider-Man. He couldn't take a bullet and kill Iron Man. Cause he's bulletproof.

Because daredevil can literally get taken out by loud noises of all things
That's a horrible fucking crutch to have in a world filled with gods who can reshape reality and people who can chuck buildings around
I like DD, but as I said, he's the smallest fish possible on a massive pond he'll never have as much of an effect on as others around him. It's what always made him so relatable. He's the little guy trying to be a hero.

Take a hint on who's actually important

Wolverine obviously, no one cares about Cyclops lol

So you admit he can't kill Spider-Man then. Because Spider-Man's just faster than actual bullets and Punisher's always losing to people weaker than Spider-Man. Glad to know.

Is there a worse example of favoritsm/popularity power up than Wolverine?

Spiderman

normies who don't read children's book slop, where midgetverine is apparently relevant, don't know about Chadclops

how is this a gotcha lol

They probably also didn't really want to pay for all the cgi beams they would need if they focused on him.

This is probably it.
A lot of the lamest movie-making decisions can be tracked down to executives not wanting to put more money on the table.

This is why i loved Sonic vs Shadow from Sonic 3, it took lots of shit from the anime fight choreography playbook by making the fights stylish and a little cartoonish, this opens the door for more creative fights in the future.
Compare Sonic vs Shadow and Avengers vs Thanos.

You can feel the speed and scale in the Sonic fight, but you can't in the avengers fight, Thanos supposedly threw a moon yet it feels like a grabbed a simple meteor, Tony and Starlord are supposedly fighting a FTL enemy yet it feels they're fighting against Kingping.
Capeshit directors have a lot of work to do.

Sonic vs Shadow:
youtube.com/watch?v=Gv63YzRUAbI

Shitvengers vs Thanos
youtube.com/watch?v=HC10J7KlKnY

I mean, all of this is relative. DD is a small fish compared to Spider-Man, who is an atom-sized fish compared to Thor, a literal deity.
But every now and then you get instances where a small fish can punch above their proverbial and literal weight class, and it's not always nonsensical.
For example, Hawkeye could on paper take out the Hulk, by taking out Banner. Someone as busted as Dr. Strange could similarly be taken out when he has his guard down, as his actual durability is still human despite all the magic mumbo jumbo.

Is this the dude that traced porn?

So you admit he can't kill Spider-Man

He can. You just trap him and shoot him.

He's even more popular outside the books, cyclops is only relevant in comics

Spider-Man and Batman in terms of character wank. I don't hate either but it's ridiculous how much they've been jerked off. In Batman's case it's not as annoying since he's supposed to be the peak of human excellence, but Spidey is supposed to be a loser in a lot of ways, but at one point they made him out to be a genius on par with Mr Fantastic which is just ridiculous.

He couldn't take a bullet and kill Iron Man

spidey can take out tin head easily

Daredevil i genuinely one of the greatest hand to hand fighters in the marvel universe. And while wolverine is super tough and has knife hands, he isn't supernaturally fast or strong.
Plus wolverine guest appearing just to job is what he does.

Doubt.exe
Iron-deficiency man has a literal spider-sense built into his suit, and this is an older model. He could level a city block in the time it takes for Peter to deliver a pizza (that's right, he has to do that for a living)

daredevil can literally get taken out by loud noises of all things

I mean so can venom.

......which will never happen as he'd never get the opportunity to, just based off of how much better and more dangerous Spider-Man is than him.

That's true, although both have overcome their weaknesses in some instances, like DD pushing through the loud noise, or the symbiote becoming slightly less "allergic" to sound over time. I think Venom got a pretty good trade off in that he's weak to sound but immune to Ghost Rider's penance stare, which would body pretty much every character in this thread.

Right but venom isn't just a regular guy outside of that. He can fight Spider-Man and sometimes guys like Rhino and what not. Matt is just a regular dude with some special echolocation, martial arts, and acrobatics. He's the smallest fish possible in the biggest ocean possible. Which is what makes him so relatable, as I said.

I'm saying cyke is more relevant in the comics. Wolvie is just the hairy dwarf who gets made fun of for being a spastic edge lord. Whereas Cyke can rally anyone behind him.

Was this before or after she banged Hawkeye and cap and daredevil

Right but venom isn't just a regular guy outside of that.

Oh nigger... Oh shit... Oh fuck... Oh my! He doesn't know.
The all new venom just got revealed... Oh man its so good. After teasing for over six months that the new venom host was one of four people, and jerked everyone off, they finally revealed that its actually mary jane.

Eh, I wouldn't say never. Yes, Spider-Man is a bullet dodger, which is the same reason why Daredevil has beaten Punisher (otherwise he'd waste them easily), but under the right circumstances, like Peter being trapped, I can see Punisher taking him out. The biggest reason why that would never happen is because Frank likes Spider-Man and that was proven especially in the Civil War storyline. He's one of the few capes he respects, like Steve Rogers.

He can already beat Iron Man if he's clever enough.

immune to Ghost Rider's penance stare

Because the symbiote isn't doing anything sinful, its just following its nature.
Just like how Frank Castle is immune to it because he sees nothing wrong with anything he's done.
Of course there was the time frank castle became the cosmic ghost rider

Spider-Fags are just the worst.
At least Batfags create justification for their powerfaggotry in kryptonite rings, power armor, etc.

Outside of the suit? Easily. In the suit? 9 times out of 10 he gets crushed. At this point Iron Man's suits are simply too busted. Even old models could keep up with the Hulk and other heavy hitters.

Because the symbiote isn't doing anything sinful, its just following its nature.

I don't think that's the case, it has more to do with the fact that it's an alien organism that doesn't even "see" in the same way.
And Frank was once immune to the Penance Stare, but he had been blessed by a divine artefact prior to that. He has been BTFO by the stare on other occasions.
Thanos did endure it, but he's on a whole other level than anyone mentioned in this thread.

Almost everyone likes spiderman because he's just a working guy putting his money where his mouth is.
I always liked how new york is divided up in the comics, and how even the bad guys respected the boundaries. Like you wouldn't screw around in hells kitchen if you could avoid it because super man might make fun of you and string you up to a lamp post until the cops get there, dare devil is just going to beat your fucking ass as hard as an ass can be beat before its lethal because you tried to purse snatch an old lady.

To be fair it has always been a power exactly as strong as the plot needs it to be.
I do love the page of frank noselling it though,

On paper it should work on everyone who
a) isn't a magical being with powers on par with, or above GR
b) isn't blind (as it requires eyes to work)
c) isn't innocent

In the World War Hulk storyline, Ghost Rider was one of the very few people who could take out a pissed off Hulk, but he didn't do it, because the spirit of vengeance (who Johnny Blaze is the host of) decided that the Hulk was just in his cause. At the time, it was the Illuminati who were actually in the wrong. So GR just rode off to the sunset with his motorcycle.

I was bummed that planet hulk got cannibalized for the b plot of the thor movie.
I mean I know universal has the rights to proper stand alone hulk movies, but gladiator hulk meets king conan is just such a solid fun premise for a movie and it gets turned into a joke for trailer bait.

Obviously Wolverine jobs constantly because:

1. He's basically indestructible so getting fucked up doesn't affect his canon.
2. He's so cool and beloved and basically synonymous with "badass" that it's a massive boon to a character to show them taking him on.

STFU and GTFO pajeet.

based

The thing about spiderman is that he's way over qualified for his job as a street level hero, and his power set is pretty well rounded. He's strong, not on the level of the thing or hulk but just under, he's super smart and can talk shop with reed richards and tony stark, he's just ultimately held back by his own sense of responsibility to things.
Superior Spiderman was a run where doc ock overwrites peter's personality with his own, and one of the first things he did was finish peter's degree, fuck off to the west coast, open up a r&d/tech company and had a pretty decent run where he became more of a genuine hero until ultimately peter's mind reasserted itself.
He also had an asian midget girlfriend.

To be fair DD's probably hard as a rock knowing that he doesn't have to pull his punches at all because its wolverine and he can try some five finger exploding heart jutsu shit.

Plus wolverine guest appearing just to job is what he does.

The best there is at what he does...

rags off, midget

Cyclops is the team leader and wolverine is the outsider providing a natural tension. The early 2000s was early in the antihero media and wolverine fits the archetype better so the movie used him as a protagonist

Cyclops is a character that's very easy to relate to if you've ever worked middle management having to tard wrangle. Most of the X-men are just retards with anger issues

Greg Land

Yes

This guy starred in the Sonic trilogy, can't he headline one CYCLOPS film?

He literally dismantled the suit mid fight and beat him that way, which is what led up to that moment.

They're probably going to recast Cyclops in the reboot to be younger and a leading man. They're probably going to adapt his family's history with Mr. Sinister to be his movie trilogy story or TV show plot or something.

I'm saying he'll never get that opportunity due to the stat difference and spider future sight from the web of fate or whatever. Trust me I like Punisher, but he's never beating a serious superhuman like Spider-Man.

The early 2000s was early in the antihero media

try the early 90's. It was already becoming a played out joke by the 00's.

Spider-Man literally has clairvoyance with the Spider Sense. What the hell is Batman supposed to do? Also Spider-Man can casually dodge gunfire and bench press 50 tons while Batman is just a regular human. Spider-Man would kill Batman with the flick of a finger.

Probably why 2003 Daredevil bombed so hard and why Spider-Man 3 got memed so hard

Mr. Sinister and summers bloodline faggotry

please god no

It wasn’t. Basically the chemistry between Jackman and Janssen was too much to ignore. Studio and Singer picked it. Also major complaint from first movie was people didn’t like how tame Wolverine was in the first movie. Why had scene of Jackman running around with shirt off stabbing people in the mansion in X2

Did they tie up the Phoenix Saga they started in X-Men 3?

Kind of. In The Wolverine, Logan is all traumatized about killing Jean and living in Alaska before going to Japan. Has cliche dream of her talking to him in bed, “I have to let you go”

Nic Cage as Ghost Rider was another big meme, if that had come out in 2008 with TDK it might've been a different story.

The issue is alot more transparent. Wolverine isn't just the Xmen he can be saddled with any group and can become the defining element of any ensemble or teamup. Wolverine has been an Avenger and Xmen along with guys like Hank Mccoy, but the former doesn't have the cigar chomping, anti-heroic, healing factor and feral, psychopathic tendencies. Wolverine has been a Hulk rival, hes been Spidermans rival or friend, hes been a black ops operative or lab experiment, hes traveled to space and fought alien despots and their cronies and so on. People now just see Wolverine as one of the defining characters of Marvel.

At least Marsden is coming back as Cyclops soon.

qrd?

Why does he look like Oliver Stone?

It did alright, and got a sequel, but it existed in a weird period of time when they were still trying to make a cinematic universe happen. It wasn't ALL disney producing that shit, it was across studios. The first iron man was paramount. Hulk was universal.
They had "marvel knights" which was supposed to be sort of an off shoot black label for weird shit like ghost rider. One of the punisher movies was made under that same label too, I think.
But then disney kind of consolidated everything in house and a lot of that just got jettisoned.

Batman has a variety of suits that can take out the Avengers let alone Spider-Man.

That's clearly Frank West in Frank Castle cosplay. He's covered wars you know.

Ghost Rider got an even edgier sequel and everyone hated it.

occasional wank aside, they've never been in the same league

One of the things I remember from the big marvel/dc crossover in the 90's was batman vs captain america.
They both kind of square up to eachother, and they just stand there and eye the other one down, playing out every variation of the fight in their minds before realizing it would come down to a draw every time and they just shake hands in mutual respect.

None of them can even handle base Iron Man who Spider-Man has fought several times lol

It's funny because Batman admitted Cap would likely beat him in that encounter, and Cap is way below Spider-Man lol. The logic speaks for itself.

What do you comic fags think of this (in my opinion, based) lil' zoomer nigga?

Spider-Man is as strong as a literal herald of Galactus and Ghost Rider who can apparently end most of Marvel's cosmology

Uhhh batfrauds???

He's based since he too hates Peter Darker.

Becauae he's a homosexual faggot.
Just look at the guy, he's pathetic.

strength =/= power

otherwise doc ock would be a planet buster

It lasted a while, I was thinking of The Sopranos really being at the pinnacle of it and Breaking Bad sort of bing the end of it as an all encompassing trope

In a regular fight, Captain America has an advantage since he's enhanced, even though Batman has fought other super soldiers. But the point is that he has mechs which would be an issue for Spider-Man, especially shit like the Final Suit, Hellbat armor, etc.

Wolverine is not an anti-hero. He's just a hero.

wonderman and fucking iron man above the ever loving blue eyed thing

I know the hulk can get retarded but him and the thing have beat each others ass plenty of times and had a long standing rivalry where they'd just start a fight the minute one saw the other.

He's definitely an anti-hero along with guys like the Punisher, Moon Knight, Blade, etc.

The problem is that Spidey doesn't have a consistent canon power level. He's usually written as a powerful street-level hero, but then sometimes he will take out a Herald of Galactus 1v1.

Those are all just heroes. With the exception of the Punisher, it's not even a debate.

Wonderman is more or less a Superman pastiche,and Iron Man is right at the tail end of that category, himself stating that he can access that kind of power briefly. But he does have Hulk and Thorbuster armors, and they're above the Thing.

Wolverine is not an anti-hero

Anon classic wolverine stories were almost always him dragged kicking and screaming into some stupid shit he didn't want anything to do with because he's drunk grumpy and jaded and he has a crazy cock bag brother that likes to murder people you care about as a birthday present. Wolverine is one of the first big comic book antiheroes. The character developed over the years from angry loner to a proud leader and teacher.

Spider-Man is pretty consistent for the most part. He's an upper level street hero but can't compare to the likes of Hulk, Thor, etc.

No, they're anti-heroes, especially Moon Knight's schizophrenic ass.

Not even a little bit.

Cyclops is a boring boy scout that makes for a good team leader. Wolverine is the combat expert/lancer type that people like to watch tear apart a room of men.

You can't read Weapon X and tell me Logan is supposed to be a clear cut hero. As for Moon Knight, he literally cut a guy's face off and he's generally insane to the point where Taskmaster, who himself is kind of a psychopath, fears him.

What do you think an antihero is

Taskmaster, who himself is kind of a psychopath, fears him

Taskmaster doesn't fear anything because he's not real.

Moon Knight is a hero. He's a good guy, he does good things and helps people.

Because he is canonically pulling his punches most of the time. He could blast a guys head off with one punch if he wanted to.
Its the reason why you always have to worry when he breaks out the black suit, because its means you've pissed him off enough to stop telling jokes.
His whole thing is about his great power and great responsibility, he's policing street level crime because he's just a guy who lives in the city who can help. Most of the time its muggers, sometimes the shocker shows up to rob a bank, occasionally kingpin takes over the city.
Much like superman the drama and tension with spiderman is always that he can't save everyone, and sometimes he resents the sacrifices he makes.
Also a golden rule of comic books is if you have a character that sells books, cross them over. The avengers and justice league both exist to use a few big characters to carry some other smaller guys to try and cross promote other titles.

no one reads avengers

everyone reads spiderman and x men

put spiderman and wolverine in the avengers

more people read the avengers

He's real in Moon Knight's world and he pretty explicitly fears him
youtu.be/5Imu75xNR1g
As for Marc himself, sure, his intentions are mostly good, hence him being an anti-hero. But he's not a role model in the same way Steve Rogers would be, for example.

Tony pls

Cyclops is a boring boy scout

He really isn't, and hasn't been for a long time.
Ever since they reset the status quo he's been leading a team out of alaska and rogue has been operating out of new orleans and they just had a big fight when one tried to break xavier out of prison. And Cyclops hasn't been xavier's cheerleader for a long time.

Yes I read Raid on Graymalkin and X-manhunt, but he was still the boyscout back in 2000.

He's a mass murderer like punisher or deadpool

Logan......

Anon I don't think you understand what an anti-hero is. They're not bad guys, but on the alignment chart, they'd be more neutral or chaotic good than your traditional hero like Superman or Spiderman.
Venom evolved from a superman villain to trying to take a turn and he became the lethal protector. He was still a "good guy" he was saving people who couldn't protect themselves, but he was also still a big black toothy goo monster with a taste for brains. He is an anti-hero.
I would honest suggest looking up what the word means because I honestly don't think you understand.

His powers are lame

lol, lmao