The biggest redflag about this show was treating Saul's little quips from Breaking Bad as the gospel. The very first episode of this show starts with him being a Cinnabon manager in Omaha, even though in Breaking Bad it was just a quip to demonstrate the dire situation. They only did this so retards could go "OHMAGAD THE THING HAPPENED!!" on social media. The start of the show being kino was a fluke, and it's descent into cartel slop and redditism was inevitable.
The biggest redflag about this show was treating Saul's little quips from Breaking Bad as the gospel...
You gotta relax man
the real issue is that it doesn't actually show Jimmy turning into Saul. That shit happens offscreen after Kim leaves him. Even season 5 Jimmy is disgusted with the Howard plan and has to be talked into it by Kim.
Why would we really need to see it. We see the end of Jimmy and the end of Saul and the rebirth of Jimmy. Its like poetry, it rhymes
Why have 4 seasons to show Saul as a sympathetic character then?
nigger the birth of saul happens offscreen too.
truuuuu
I only watched the first episode, and when I saw them shoehorn Tuco in there I dropped out immediately. That was the real red flag, George Lucas levels of coincidence with out having the Force as an excuse.
such a brainlet take. he was always saul, and yes, we DID watch him become saul.
he was always saul
Why? Because Vince and Peter forced in the two shitty cameos in the last season of Walt and Chuck to say "SAUL WAS ALWAYS BAD!!"?
The show existing at all was a red flag. They tried to turn the quirky fun shyster lawyer into "the deep dark troubled double personality suffering" lawyer because that's Vince's only gimmick he can work with.
This is the moment X became Y is all he'll ever be remembered for. And that sucks because there's a good show somewhere in BCS if you took out all the cartel bullshit.
One of the funniest things is that Jimmy/Saul could have no idea who Gus is even though he would know about all sorts of crimes and criminals that happen in ABQ and also shares his top special purpose security guy with Gus but somehow still wouldn't know that he works for Gus most of his time. BrBa suggests that is because Gus is extra careful and stays hidden all the time. But BCS shows him openly interacting with all his low level employees and going on hits with his crew.
It's impossible that he wouldn't have a run in with Saul in all these years.
saul was bad
name ONE thing bad he did.
Ultimately the Saul we saw in BB was a better character that BSC Saul.
We didn't even see Saul in BCS.
but his DBA
Doesn't count, he didn't act like him.
we didn't even see Saul
That's kind of my point
This
Trying to force a fun but shallow character to be deep just ruins that character. The very premise of BCS just falls apart when it becomes about a brooding damaged Jimmy Mcgill. Why couldn't there have just been a fun criminal lawyer show? My guess is it's because the writers didn't have the talent to do that and relied too much on drama and dual personalities in BB that they felt the need to shove that into the prequel as well.
The biggest redflag about this show was treating Saul's little quips from Breaking Bad as the gospel. The very first episode of this show starts with him being a Cinnabon manager in Omaha, even though in Breaking Bad it was just a quip to demonstrate the dire situation. They only did this so retards could go "OHMAGAD THE THING HAPPENED!!" on social media. The start of the show being kino was a fluke, and it's descent into cartel slop and redditism was inevitable.
It's a good show with great and great writing, but you have to ignore the BB connection to truly enjoy it. The cartel stuff with Gus is also dumb.
Better Call Saul is better than Reddit Breaking Bad the episodes about the lawyers were kino Lalo is a better villain than Gus and Nacho is a better Jeesse Mike had a better development Kim exists
Exactly, and even in season 6, he feels bad for Kettlemans for Kim extorting them.
What was even the point of Howard con in season 6? Kim insist on and Saul just reluctantly approves to do it.
Shouldn't that be complete opposite with Saul insisting on showing that Jimmy has died within him?
The problem is it's boring, not funny, and all the lawyer finesse shit he does is retarded and unrealistic
doesn't actually show Jimmy turning into Saul
Why would Jimmy intentionally torpedo his good job at a normal law firm then?
It really turns into the Mike/Nacho show right away which splits off into "2 shows" after season 1 and has fuck all to do with the premise. I think Mike interacts with Jimmy ...once in all of season 3?
It hurt my enjoyment of it cause it was so detached during those scenes I was just waiting for them to get back to the lawyer stuff.
He wanted one at HHM
I mean the story of Jimmy struggling to make ends meet and seeking approval of Chuck was genuinely good stuff. And as said, Nacho was also a better Jessie, he had the same compelling arc but he wasn't an annoying whiny bitch. Shame about the underwhelming end of his arc though.
BrBa suggests that is because Gus is extra careful and stays hidden all the time
He was in a meeting with Walt and two fucking street dealers, lol
The Saul transformation is the carrot on a stick that is teased all the time in show since season 1. The audience expected the show to be a comedy about Saul doing Saul stuff before he met Walt but instead he is a loser and all the time people want him to become Saul. So, the show always makes it seem like the transformation is around the corner. You see small stepping stones towards Saul. The strip mall office, him meeting his later goons, a large cash opportunity opens etc. But it just doesn't happen. The show draws it out as long as possible and when we are at the end the show just goes LOL he just decides to become Saul now.
The vacuum guy told him that was going to be his new identity (one of the possible ones at least)
It seemed like a joke because it was absurd and it's the kind of thing Saul would say as one
Tuco was in the episode so nacho (and the cartel) could be introduced you stupid fuck.
Did you drop breaking bad after it was revealed that Jessie was a former student of Walt?
Chuck is the true villain of the entire saga and if he had accepted Jimmy Saul would never have existed and Walter would never have become Heisenberg
But Walt said Jimmy was always like this in a Season 6 retcon cameo so checkmate chud
that's Slippin' Jimmy, not Saul. Slippin' Jimmy finesses the law a bit but he stops at ruining lives. Saul has people killed for cash.
Saul never killed anyone.
Conveniently we never see this since the show does a timeskip so he totally did, CHUD!!!
saul ''has'' people killed
English, nigga. To have someone do something means to have somebody else do it. Saul may not commit any murder but on more than one occasions he offered to arrange it.
Kim Kim Kimmy Kim Kim
Yeah, but he didn't do that either. Maybe he could have, maybe not, maybe it was a test.
He lies and scams starting from the first episode you retard.
lies and scams are the same as offering to have Badger killed in prison
It's character development.
which isn't shown onscreen.
Character development is what ruined the show
Sounds just like any other lawyer out there.
haha, he wears le tacky suits
this must be le moment where he becomes le Saul
oh no, he le didn't
they sorta did the same thing in BB when Saul said "I'll send you back to the DMV!" it was just a throwaway line but people pointed out that it's "MVD" in new mexico and then Vince corrected it in BCS by having Saul explain "I'll never call it the MVD. It's always the DMV for me!"
And then also why the pizza that Walt threw wasn't sliced was explained at some point also.
I can't tell if it's fanservice or if Vince is autistic and wants everything tied up nicely with no inconsistencies.
It is.
NTA you replied to but chiming in.
Gus was never going to let Nacho free,not even Mike could convince him. Nacho ended his suffering.
I liked your take on Nacho being a better jessie - never thought it like that.
My problem isn't that he dies. My problem is that he doesn't take out Bolsa along with him because he actually dies in Breaking Bad and instead just anti-climactically shoots himself in the head. There's just no pay off to his struggle, and unlike in something like The Wire, the show tried to make us feel like there is hope for him, which ends up working against him.
retard
this show could have just been 2 seasons
Nacho is such a pointless subplot. I don't get the purpose of him. I wish he had been replaced by Krazy 8. Krazy 8 did work for the Salamancas so an alternate BCS with Krazy 8 playing the role of BB would be cool since we get to see how Walt's first kill was a pretty swell stand up dude
shit my comment makes no sense. I need to lay off the fent.
That's fair. How would you have redeemed Nacho?
Krazy-8 is a completely different character in BCS.
I would've had him kill Lalo somehow. They already hinted at that in Season 5 ending and this would've been something substantial enough to make him not pointless.
wasn't the whole point that he was never Saul? The Saul character he put on was just a coping mechanism.
I don't like how much they exaggerated his role in BB at the end, in the final season they make him out to be the criminal mastermind, this horrible monster but despite being involved in a drug empire, he was still just a sleazy lawyer, he's no more evil than your average one.
Howie died because of him but because women are never guilty or held accountable for anything they had to make him the villain even though the Howard pranks were her idea.