DEVS was pure kino and better than severance

it's a magical quantum computer capable of producing entire universes and perfectly simulating the past exactly as it happened, why wouldn't nested simulated universes also be possible?

But...if they created a perfect 1:1 simulation of the universe, then inside that simulation those same scientists created their 1:1 simulation, etc. times infinity, which means, the "real" universe itself is also a simulation

I think the point was that if turning off the simulation would destroy the universe it would break the chain of "simulation in a simulation in a simulation" whenever someone turns it off in their simulation. The spooky implication of the simulation theory is that if simulations like that are possible then it's inevitable that we are also in one (paraphrased), but if the simulations only persist as long as the simulation is active they are not perfect simulations and will have never modeled the entire history of the universe.
Yeah, that was the point of the "uh-oh" scene.

which means, the "real" universe itself is also a simulation

yeah, that's why it acts as the tipping point for the "real" universe being simulated

it's also why time travel can never exist

So if they know that, they should turn it the fuck off and destroy it

Devs was great and I've been glad of the threads but it's not really comparable, as a one-and-done miniseries which was much more philosophical, exploratory, visual and atmospheric, to a multi-season distopian mystery thriller like severance

My argument is that based on how the simulations worked in the show until that point it WOULDN'T destroy it for the people inside of the simulation, it would only make it so that the people running the simulation wouldn't be able to observe it anymore. If you have simulated the entire course of history then from the perspective of someone inside of the simulation all of that WILL happen, because it already has.

If you have simulated the entire course of history

No, they only did it until the point where causality breaks, they didn't have the tools or knowledge to go past that point

So, is the simulation they're watching one level "down" or "up" from their own universe? Because if it's parallel, then what's the fucking point?

isn't it that they didn't want to use it to predict the future, not that they couldn't? nick offerman was only interested in using it to potentially resurrect his dead daughter anyway

Hm, I guess that's the part I was missing. Now it makes sense. Though it raises another not so satisfying aspect about the ending, because it never addressed what happens now. Is causality broken forever and true free will exists from now on? What happens in all of the other nested simulations?

isn't it that they didn't want to use it to predict the future, not that they couldn't?

They mention a few times they're waiting for a certain date, they tried to go past that but they just can't, it's the day of the finale where the asian bitch doesn't do what she's supposed to do

They could predict the future until the moment when Lily dies, everything became static after that fixed point and they couldn't see past it.

But the reality was it was never her that killed them, the fat guy turned off the power to the elevator so they died no matter what.

Maybe the computer knew it would be used after that date to run the simulation and thus couldn't see past that date.

Have you seen it? It starts off and Ron swanson is chasing a 1:1 perfect simulation which as you say would contain a simulation of a simulation etc.

But it's very hard for the devs to do

So eventually they go for 'close enough' simulation which Ron swanson initially hates, but then ultimately accepts its as close as he's going to get to more time with his dead daughter. So they keep the 'good enough' simulation running which doesn't have the problem of 'necessarily needs to contain infinite perfect simulations'

How about those parallel universes though...Did you know there's one where I'm licking Emma Watson's ass RIGHT NOW? That's right. Then next to that one there's another one where I am doing the exact same thing, but Emma Watson is half an inch shorter

how do i tell if the youtube video is the real deal or not?

how do i know if they were lying about the finale being postponed?

they were claiming to do it on a certain date in the future, but if they could predict the future like they say they

which means that the real universe is also a simulation

Explain to me why I'm a retard for not seeing how this follows

which doesn't have the problem of 'necessarily needs to contain infinite perfect simulations'

But it does contain them though

Cool idea, shit protag and it fell off HARD at the end.

No, it's not a "close enough" simulation, it's one they developed using the Everett interpretation. If anything this makes the infinite simulations problem even more plausible

if we in this universe can create a simulation of another universe that is so perfect nobody within it can tell its a simulation, and the people within that simulation can do it as well, ad infinitum, it's basically a sure thing that we are also in a simulation created by somebody else

shit protag

She was a cute flatty with pokies, shut your fucking mouth.

Well...you create a 1:1 simulation of the universe. Inside that universe, that version of you will do the same, right? Then the version inside of that simulation will do the same. They aren't aware they're inside of a simulation, they just know they created one. Same for you.

If we had gay sex in a simulation is it still gay? It's not real haha

we don't know anything about how the computer works beyond that it seems to reject pilot wave (ie one pre-determined universe) as a theory and support many worlds

presumably the magic computer is powerful enough to create an infinite number of simulations, one of which is close enough that nick offerman is satisfied with his daughter not being 100% his daughter but 99.999% or whatever

Simulation, give me a Cailee gf

The likelihood that you happen to be in the"original" universe is very, very small, but people who say it means that you are definitely in a simulation are actual midwits. Somebody after all had to be in the universe that is real, it's just extremely unlikely that it's you, but not impossible. It also is impossible for you to know or prove it one way or another

that's a universe I want to live in

Somebody after all had to be in the universe that is real,

Yeah, that's what they all say

it's not that small unless

aliens exist and they're advanced enough to make the simulation computer

at some point humans advance enough to make the simulation computer

neither of which we know are possible yet

so for the time being there's no reason to believe we're in a simulation

A perfect simulation necessarily contains infinite nested simulations

A 99% perfect simulation *probably* contains *some* *similarly imperfect* simulations

It's a huge gulf

She's attractive but she can't do an American accent and it hurts her scenes. Should have just used her natural British accent.

DEVS was pure pseud trash like everything the fucking hack writes and directs

The point of the uh oh scene was that they had reached a point where they had a perfect simulation, at least up to that point, but since at that point there already was a perfect simulation it implied the infinite simulations. That's why they freaked out.

The reason nick offerman rejects Everett is because nothing but 100% is acceptable. The key line is something like

if 1 hair on my daughters head is different then it's not my Amaya

Eventually he decides that living in one of the many 'good enough' simulations is good enough

The way I understood it is that the simulation might just as well BE the perfect one, but Forest can't accept many worlds even as a mere possibility because if it were true, the simulation MIGHT not be the perfect one and even that tiny "might not" is too much for him.

They definitely out-thought themselves in the end, realised that the ending of "breaking the simulation" didn't work. Annnddd pushed through anyway....
DEVS starts great, but pretty much from the moment she jumps out of the car (although this did feel like a pretty implicit nod to a certain death scene in The Sopranos) everything is just dumb action and tying up dramatic plotlines. The actual storyline is dogshit after that moment really.

I too am Team Sergei

So how exactly was Lily able to break causality and what are the implications of that going forward?

I think it didn't actually matter what she did because she was never the reason the elevator fell and killed both of them

The fact that the universe "course corrected" to cause the elevator to fall anyway almost feels like it's implying the existence of a "God" or some other kind of a system that makes sure the predetermined course of history takes place. It just raises an interesting question about the true nature of determinism as presented in the setting. Lily was evidently able to momentarily defy it, so it's not absolute, but then something caused things to get back on their tram lines anyway.

if not for the posts on Anon Babble i wouldn't know the boy is really a girl. She plays the part convincingly and characterization is also good

I liked it but it falls apart under its own weight as it goes on. Offerman is amazing in his role but the Asian broad is fucking terrible and she's the MC. She can't do an American accent to save her life and it drags down her performance as well as the show. Seriously, her American accent is on par with Keanu's attempt at an English one in Dracula. It's unbelievably bad and I have no idea why Garland didn't just say "speak in your normal accent, being American doesn't matter for the plot at all."

Your radar is broken. I realized something was off immediately.

I thought she was just a tom boy until one of the characters says she's non-binary. There's 0 masculinity in her--just the energized feminity that lacks attention to pecking order which comes with all tomboys.

until one of the characters says she's non-binary.

I don't remember this and her character is described as a man and a "he" everywhere online.

non-binary

i don't remember that

I don't remember this

Maybe because you're delusional and think men can become women and vice versa? Lol. She never seems like a dude. Just a tomboy.

Are you retarded? I'm talking solely about what was said on the show.

ARE YOU RETARDED?! THE PERSON WITH A VAGINA IS A MAN!

Lol. Tomboy, trannie. By the way, thanks for doing so much damage to the fag movement. You guys were like a Trojan horse but instead of being filled with soliders it was creepiness, diseases, and nonsense.

I like to think I am sensitive to bad accents but I honestly thought she was playing some kind of immigrant and it didn't trigger me at all. Plus she's obviously meant to be a sperg. I actually liked her as the MC and am surprised at a lot of the criticism I see on here

until one of the characters says she's non-binary

You claimed this. It's not true. I don't give a fuck about anything else. Go have your meltdown somewhere else.

She was terrible and the accent sucked. If you can find excuses to overlook it more power to you but you're not going to convince anyone else.

She is not non-binary, she's explicitly playing a teenage boy in the show, they go out of their way to hide her being feminine (though failing on the fat ass) and Cailee lowers her voice while playing Lyndon. There's interviews out detailing how Garland came to cast Cailee, he wanted a boy character that felt innocent but also unusually mature as befitting him being a young genius, and kid actors in reality usually aren't able to portray that convincingly, but an adult can. Originally the character was written to be a man in his twenties with a shaved head and tattoos, but Garland changed his mind and auditioned young women with the intent of having them play a teen boy, similar to how Peter Pan was normally played by petite adult women on stage.

IT'S NOT TRUE!!!

Men can't become women and women can't become men, trannie. Even if she's listed in the show as a man because it was made during peak mind virus it doesn't mean the character isn't non-binary. Simple as. Go take your hormones.

No one said Cailee Spaeny is a man. She is playing a male character in the show. Lyndon, the character, is a male. It's acting.

Don't care. The actress isn't believable as a male and refering to her as "him" in the show just means the character is a troon.

and refering to her as "him" in the show just means the character is a troon.

That's not how any of this works. You sound like a false flagging tranny trying to normalize your mental illness.

Lol, I'm saying she's a troon because she never seems like a male for a second. I guess it's just one more fuck up with the casting and directing that dragged down what had the potential to be a great show.

Sonoya Mizuno's character is American, that's why she has an American accent. She is not convincingly American because her accent is unconvincing, but that does not mean the character is not American, it just means the actress did not hide her natural English accent sufficiently. This is a narrative, and it is how the narrative says it is. Whether it convinces you or not doesn't matter.

you have autism

That's not how any of this works.

Yeah it is. The character being a troon is a perfectly defensible reading given the show itself. It's either that or Garland fucked up and the actress was bad. Pick one, lol.

Lol, I'm saying she's a troon

Lyndon is a male. Cailee Spaeny is a female. She is an actress playing a character. That's how fiction works.

How did you relate to this character that seems so very different from you?

SPAENY: At face value, they definitely are. I play a male on the show, who’s a tech genius, so that’s very different from who I am. But there are a lot of parallels that I found, during the filming process, of just a young person who has put everything into his career. He’s good at what he does, and he’s found his community and family in his work. His whole life is in this job. It’s where he puts all of his passion. He’s very creative. He cracks the code. But he still has this youthful optimism

How did you actually even come to be playing a male character in this show? How was this role presented?

SPAENY: The character was very differently written, in his mid-20s with a shaved head and tattoos. They were gonna see men, but then Alex talked to the casting director, at the last minute, and said, “Can you bring in some girls?” So, the casting director emailed me and was like, “I don’t really know what’s going on, but he wants to see you.” I was like, “Sure, I’ll do anything for this.” So, I went in, and I was the last person he saw. We just went for it. I think it’s the same as how a lot of women play Peter Pan. He wanted this perfect boy, and I actually look very similar to Alex’s son. He just wanted this innocent person that you fell in love with. Hopefully, I pulled it off, but I think that’s what he was going for. He just said, “I want you to play a guy.” And I said, “Okay.”

Bro i am just explaining that to at least 1 non-US viewer she sounding completely organically like a US-based immigrant sperg as opposed to 'someone doing a bad American accent'

This is a narrative, and it is how the narrative says it

Don't care. There's nothing in the show that says the girl who's supposed to be a boy isn't a trannie other than the pronouns being used and, seeing as the assault on language/reality was at its peak when the show came out, the character could easily be interpreted as a troon. It's that simple.

Don't care.

Too bad. It's still how it is.

You seem really desperate to include trannies in everything despite there not actually being any. Surely you wouldn't have a hidden agenda behind this, right? Desperate for a little validation, hm?

Except you know the character is a male. The show refers to him as a male. At no point is he ever presented as anything but a teenage boy prodigy. The actress's femininity is hidden in her costuming and hairstyling, and she changes her voice to sound deeper than it is. The showrunner refers to him as a male. The actress playing the character has talked at length about playing a male character. There are no references to transgender topics of any kind in the show. You're trying to make up something you know for a fact isn't true and pretend you totally could believe it.

the fuck are you rambling about? We're talking about a character on the show

You're retarded.
Not reading that. She did a bad job and the character ended up being interpretable as a troon. Simple as.

Bro i am just explaining that to at least 1 non-US viewer she sounding completely organically like a US-based immigrant sperg

I'm not American and she doesn't sound like an immigrant. She sounds like an actress doing a bad accent the same way Keanu sounded like an actor doing a bad accent in Dracula.

Too bad

For you, lol.
I was willing to overlook the fTm trannie character because the show was good and they're not as bad as mTfs. However, seeing as the show intended her to be perceived as male it failed.

Except you know the character is a male

If you have to reference production notes instead of what's on screen, i.e. a female actor failing to come off as male, you don't actually know anything. Xj8j2

Not reading that.

Not my problem. It has been said, and that's how it is.

If you have to reference production notes

I don't. That's why what I said next referred exclusively to what is in the show, and I only referenced what the showrunner and actress said after that.

Troons constantly do this thing where they headcanon characters in media as troons because they are "coded" that way in their delusional minds. This is just one of them trying to pull the usual shit but adjusting the tactics to Anon Babble instead by pretending to be outraged about it. The end goal is still the same as always, to make people associate a non-troon character with troons.

Not my problem

The fact you're seething over a failed performance and have to reference stuff outside the show itself is definitely you're problem, retard. Lol.

Yeah this moron is just going in circles doing absolutely nothing. Enough (You)s.

why aren't you claiming Mizuno's character, who is American, is not American? Why is it exclusively about you bringing up trannies unprompted nonstop?

I don't

You do though because there's not a single moment you can point to in the entire series where the character comes off as a male and can't be interpreted as a teenage troon.

Because the poor performance from Mizuno takes the person outside of the show, it's just bad acting, whereas the actress who came off as a troon is failed acting. Get it or are you too dumb?

You sound schizophrenic. Trannies are disgusting abominations and if you had any consistency you'd call out the show for trying to pass off a woman as a man and failing to do so.

Go dilate, dysgenic freak.

Your logic makes no sense, it is completely inconsistent. An American wouldn't have the accent she has in the show, it's an English actress doing an unconvincing accent. Yet you aren't claiming the character must not be American. You make up an arbitrary alternate category of "bad acting" that apparently doesn't affect anything and you can't say a word about it, but your other also arbitrary category must actually change the narrative directly presented by the show based solely on acting, even discarding what the show says AND the cast and crew involved say, because...reasons.

They don't claim Lyndon to be a girl that turned into a boy. Lyndon is just a biological boy, treated as a boy. So I don't care. Why would I care? It's hardly the first time a member of the opposite sex has played the other in a film or TV show or in theater.

I concur

you need psychiatric help and i'm not saying this as an insult

Devs was absolute disappointing slop. It did nothing new or original with the simulation idea.

he is 100% correct, trannies attempt to "claim" male or female characters who are not in any way transgender because there are barely any actual transgender characters who aren't purely tokens or the butt of jokes

Devs blows. It has no reason to be a tv show over a film, and from the 2nd episode I called that it was just going to be determinist cope until then end.

Lyndon and Jamie deserved better. Jamie a little less for playing SotfS.

And when all else fails here comes the pathetic attempt at gaslighting.

The actual side effect of the illusion of a woman playing a young boy not being quite convincing is Garland accidentally made one of the best tomboy depictions in recent memory.

I called that it was just going to be determinist cope until then end.

But it shows determinism failing at the end. If anything it hints at there being something more than that to reality.

OK sorry. Conceded on all points

I accept your concession, troon. >Your logic makes no sense, it is completely inconsistent.
It's not though. The MC gives a bad performance highlighted by a nonsensical accent. Once recognized this grates on the viewer. It's just bad. The actress who was cast as a male just comes off as a tomboy until a character refers to her as a "he." At that point it's just: ok, I guess that character is an female who works in tech and adopted the pronoun bullshit.

They don't claim Lyndon to be a girl that turned into a boy.

But you can't point to a single scene in the entire series where the character is undeniably a male. Other than pronoun usage there's just the performance with comes off as female because the character looks and sounds like a teenage girl.

DEVS was pure kino

True

better than severance

Not an accomplishment

Fair

Here's that genius software engineer I was telling you about.

He's a good actor

Most niggers can't even turn on a desktop. ,.

He's hardly some teenage hoodlum, dude. Have some nuance.

She farts in her sleep

I should have phrased that better. *Up until the end. I assumed it wouldn't go all in on determinism.

Stewart was so based.

AT what point does anything come out of himself that makes him sound like someone who is a highly skilled technical worker and not a fat, black homeless dude.

Good character and actor. Also good in Civil War.

Well I just don't agree with it being a bad thing I guess. It felt more like flawed characters wanting determinism to be true because it would feel better in their personal circumstances, but reality is not that simple.

At what point would you accept anything and not default to blanket racism?

How many dev projects have you worked on, Tyrone?

has no reason to be a tv show over a film

Exactly. Thank covid for that.

This is the same guy just switching from "troons" to "blacks" isn't it?

Who the fuck are you talking to?

Iirc it was originally fox searchlight like all of garlands stuff but then corona and they sold the ip to Hulu who wanted a mini series

unironically one of the worst shows i have ever seen and im still mad that i didn't drop this shit on episode 1

He has a fatherly aura to him and he also comes off as dorky. If you want to be a poltard about it just say something like "their goto when they want to cast a smart black guy is someone who is as light skinned as possible" lol.

I have no idea why Garland didn't just say "speak in your normal accent

Because the network wouldn't allow it.

Nah, Severance is better. And Westworld is better than Severance.

Troon guy BTFO the thread to the point everyone just started accepting the depiction as a tomboy. The other guy is just racist.

to the point everyone just started accepting the depiction as a tomboy

Don't try to be sneaky, you didn't BTFO anyone because people are lusting for the actress. The character she's playing is still a male.

You clearly lost the argument.

worst show I ever saw. bad acting, bad story, bad ending.

People have been calling her a tomboy for years, since the show came out, because we are aware it is Cailee Spaeny, a very attractive actress, at no point did I say Lyndon, the character, isn't a male, because he is, but out of context it's just Cailee with short hair and boyish clothes.

At no point in the show does the character seem as if she's undeniably male whereas the performance itself is easily confused as a tomboy working in the tech industry who goes by he/him.