Why is Lisa AGAINST nuclear power?

The Springfield Nuclear Power Plant has a duck towing around fuel rods and Homer is the safety inspector. If your only exposure to nuclear power was that paragon of incompetence, you'd want it shut down too.

Ironically because the Simpsons and Chernobyl

Because it’s much more fun to complain about air pollution and dwindling natural resources than to actually find a long-term solution to the problem.

dangerously misinformed individual

in the case of springfield specifically its because mr burns is dumping nuclear waste into the nearby lake

thats where this dude comes from

irl there arent issues with nuclear waste disposal as long as its dealt with properly by burying it underground

Chernobyl made nuclear power scary.

Because you have to bury the spent fuel rods. Good thing we found a green replacement!

Oh no, the poor lifeless desert. Think of the children.

i mean, i'm pretty sure the nuclear energy industry has a large lobbying budget.

Because this is how insufferable midwit "progressive" women are, it's spoon fed feel goodism not a cohesive rational world view

It's still seen as evil

Most cost-effective way of generating electricity. Build a few nuclear power stations in a small country, you're set.

(After fossil fuels, which is what this show SHOULD be portraying as the 'horrible' method of production.)

Is lisa the most disliked character on the simpsons?

Plant shuts down

Homer has no degree and has to work at the Kwik E Mart

Home gets foreclosed

"I LE DIDNT KNOW I THOUGHT MONEY JUST CAME OUT OF HIS ASS!"

Wow, and she's the supposed genius?

Such a one-off, though. And yeah there were some more minor incidents, including here in the UK.

But EVERY coal pit had regular accidents.

x more dead.

another cave in.

lung and eye conditions.

even with kids.

oh well. people will always need coal.

Nuclear was so safe, just with a few extreme but incredibly rare outliers.

Yeah bro, LA and NY is under water because we didn't buy enough chinese windmills.

Nuclear Fission is prone to meltdowns which makes the place uninhabitable for tens of thousands of years. I suggest something less prone to permanent contamination.

because American power depends on oil

Kwik-E-Mart is a subsidiary of Nordyne Defense Dynamics.

Weird phase in 80s-2000s environmentalism/activism. Save the whales? Right on! Make thousands of working-class families homeless? Save the whales!

Build a few nuclear power stations in a small country, you're set.

This. We have two and it would be more than enough for entire country. Unfortunately the government sells 85% of it to Germany.

Three Mile Island and Chernobyl are the big reasons. Coupled with boomers memories of the cold war. They just associate it with danger.

No, that would be Database.
(You might have to look up who he is, and I don't blame you.)

Shes a woman. Women have short term thinking, the writers did an excellent job with Lisa.

prone to meltdowns which makes the place uninhabitable for tens of thousands of years.

What, all three of them? Over a century?

You should enter the lottery anon, you COULD win!

prone to meltdowns

One prominent one was due to 11 Richter scale earthquake and 15m tsunami, which is cataclysmic.
The other was due to socialism.

There have been a handful of meltdowns with only one being a serious event due to incompetence, poor construction, and russian autism.
Fukashima, which had its meltdown in 2011, already has people living in the town again.
You are going off literal paranoia pushed 50 years ago

The sad thing about the underinvestment of nuclear fission is that it slows down the progress towards fusion and our best chance at actual post-scarcity energy wise

She's being paid off by Big Oil, like all the other anti-nuclear green activists.

What's the atomic half-life of those big guys?

air pollution

...what air pollution? You know this is not smoke, right? It's steam.

Sign petitions

How, on her computer that her dad bought her? I don't think people would be going door to door in Springfield to shut down the place 90% of the pulilation works.

steam from the steamed clams we're having

lifeless

deserts are not lifeless first of all and it's still a permanent poisoning of the area. If nuclear power becomes ubiquitous we'll quickly run out of places to bury them, and that shit lasts 50 thousand years

It's very unforgiving of mistakes. Nuclear energy is arguably the most cost effective means of generating electricity but if you fuck up there are grave consequences, and people are understandably nervous about what's done with spent fuel rods that will still be throwing off deadly radiation for centuries

Why would he be so hated?
Pic related is why I hate Lisa so much, nothing Database had done could possible match this.

Linda goes Gaga

And then at the end she can't even give her father a real apology

Statistically nuclear is the safest form of energy production.

I'd rather breathe this wind than your 'steam'.

Steam = heat = form of energy destructive to the human body. And we created it as a byproduct of burning.
Trade places with me, anon?

Put the rods on a starship and fly it into the sun.

No lol, They don't produce that much waste and they've found more and more ways to reduce the waste they already produce.
We produce way more trash 100x easily and nobody gives a shit about that. What about all the rivers and lakes we've ruined as a species? Climate change?
Oh but the nuclear waste, yeah that's a no go...

the nuclear power plants of today dont have the same risks associated as the ones at chernobyl for example

also the spent fuel rods aren't a problem, you just bury them deep underground

i'm pretty sure the nuclear energy industry has a large lobbying budget

Not bigger than fossil and specially oil. Only now have EVs become mainstream though I wonder how are we supposed to feed them electricity without nuclear plants.

they dont just dump the rods wherever in the desert, they drill way deep down and deposit them there, it basically has no effect on the surrounding environment

...clouds are just steam, you know that, right?

Three Mile Island doesn't even belong in the same paragraph as Chernobyl. Literally a nothingburger.

In the aftermath of the accident, investigations focused on the amount of radioactivity released. In total, approximately 2.5 megacuries (93 PBq) of radioactive gases and approximately 15 curies (560 GBq) of iodine-131 were released into the environment.[112] According to the American Nuclear Society, using the official radioactivity emission figures, "The average radiation dose to people living within 10 miles of the plant was eight millirem (0.08 mSv), and no more than 100 millirem (1 mSv) to any single individual. Eight millirem is about equal to a chest X-ray, and 100 millirem is about a third of the average background level of radiation received by US residents in a year."[113]

According to health researcher Joseph Mangano, early scientific publications estimated no additional cancer deaths in the 10 mi (16 km) area around TMI, based on these numbers.[86] Disease rates in areas farther than 10 miles from the plant were not examined.[86] Local activism in the 1980s, based on anecdotal reports of negative health effects, led to scientific studies being commissioned. A variety of epidemiology studies have concluded that the accident had no observable long term health effects.

to be fair they wanted Paul McCartney on the show, they had to kowtow to him a bit. Lisa had to REMAIN vegetarian, and their only 'other side' argument is that Apu is vegan: we should TOLERATE the dumb meat-eaters, sometimes! after all, someone always believes more strongly than you :-)

plus it has the clunkiest dialogue ever,

But where's your wife Linda?

Right here, Lisa!

and then they, quite literally, advertise Linda McCartney real-life processed ready meals.

Ringo Starr and George Harrison just turned up, as guest stars. even poked fun at themselves.

unlikely you'll be breathing that steam unless you stand at the top of the chimney anon

If this was true, it would be warm outside planes.

Water cycle = rain/water evaporates = rises = melts = rain again. How does snow work in your system?

and of course that hollier than thou punk bitch Lennon thought he was too good for Simpsons and never was in it at all
man fuck that nigga

I don’t trust most countries in the world to not mess up nuclear power or have something get messed up due to war or some other issue. The consequences are radically severe - places could be uninhabitable for thousands of years.

Yeah that's what I'm asking. Not about it 'getting into the atmosphere' or whatever.

It's just steam, it's not dangerous. - that anon, i think? Of course all burnt fuels create steam, along with smoke, toxins.

An electromagnetic turbine? Wind. It'll be the fall that kills you, not what's in the air.

radiation

not a problem. our ability to detect recylce and dispose of radioactive materials will only improve in the future. if it its ever a problem its because we have much much bigger problems destracting us

are you starting to get the message yet? lmfao

cba to dl slowpoke image, its you

water vapor (which is already present in the atmosphere naturally) is worse than a giant bird killing pile of lithium and rare earth metals strip mined in the third world

Greentards everybody.

(((They))) are fighting against re-using nuclear waste
youtu.be/IzQ3gFRj0Bc?si=6WPbvaUn1ZXhbAov

MJ was 'in' the Simpsons but he thought he was too good to go under a real name. Or use his real singing voice, so that was actually John Lennon's son impersonating him.

Now that episode is banned from Disney+, because MJ is definitely posthumously a criminal (proven beyond a shadow of a doubt).

not the other anon, but more people are swayed by muh feels and catastrophizing propaganda than the clinical truth about things

We may say Michael Jackson got blacklisted

MJ is definitely posthumously a criminal (proven beyond a shadow of a doubt).

How do you even figure that? All the claims against him seem extremely unlikely to be true.

don’t trust most countries in the world to not mess up nuclear power

Pakistan has nuclear program. They literally call it Bomb of Islam.

He did blackface in his early career so he deserved to be cancelled.

alright, I'll be honest.
I just imagined a pack of pajeets running a power plant and got very worried.

Yeah the steam is real hot that's why it goes through those big cooling towers before it goes back put into the atmosphere, where it will most likely drift back to whatever nearby body of water it was taken from

but if you fuck up there are grave consequences

Not if people actually invested in advancing reactor design, liquid metal and molten salt reactors can't melt down.

worried

If they operated one in another country sure but jeets making a nuclear power plant in jeetland? That's just the setup to a great joke. I hope they do it.

I'm pretty sure it was irony
anyway, he was a weird dude but I'm 90% sure he didn't do any diddling

the first accuser was proven fraud, or rather his dad who wanted to get rich

Corey Feldman, who openly spoke about his sexual abuse as a kid said MJ never touched him

Big Mac said MJ never touched him and c'mon, if you'd want to rape some little bussy it would be Kevin McAllister

cops and feds were on his ass for years, raided his house numerous times, and NOTHING

and most importantly

he named the jew

What are you smoking? China produces almost the entirety of the worlds solar panels.

So did Trudeau, but he got to run Canada for nine years. As long as you’re pretty, you can get away with anything.

Right, nobody ever complains about the amount of waste we produce or its consequences (microplastics for one). Especially not the environmentalists

an unqualified dei hire in charge of nuclear safety protocols in a plant run by an evil industrialist? why wouldnt anyone want that plat closed?

If the environmentalists actually gave a shit instead of playing as retarded moralfags they'd be pushing nuclear energy. But they don't give a shit.

Because they're stupid and don't actually care about "Climate Change" shit. They just want America weakened economically and for your life to be more expensive.

Everyone was brainwashed into thinking nuclear is bad when its one of the most effective energy sources we have.

People in favour of nuclear power are too stupid to take being corrected. They are wilfully degenerate. That is their entire being. Every choice they make is to the detriment of the world. They are cowards without any appreciable quality.

Not an argument.

I know who he is. Most disliked and least liked are different things.

imagine a horde of indians managing nuclear power for 1000 years
suddenly the risks seem quite existential don’t they?
nuclear is very efficient as a power source, but if something goes wrong the consequences are of such incredible severity compared to failure modes from other energy sources

Most cost-effective way of generating electricity.

I wish you fuck heads would look at reality instead of idealized models

Plant Vogtle's 2 new reactors cost around $37 billion
Hinkley Point C's 2 new reactors will probably cost more than $50 billion

Because she received several hefty donations from fossil fuels corporations?

Hinckley Point will have a life span of 60 years, if you're lucky energy companies will stop absolutely raping the shit out of you thanks to it, like France, but I wouldn't count on it, there's always a scam to take.money out of the taxpayer pocket, such as the water companies

You stupid fucking chud, if we allow recycling spent fuel rods then that will make the nuclear waste issue marginal at best, then there wouldn’t be any convincing arguments against nuclear power. Use your head incel.

what do nuclear cooling towers feel like bros

Jews told them it's bad so they believe it

dude le heckin fallout video game in real life will happen if we use nuclear energy

dude just trust the DEI hires with the potential to irradiate the land for 10000 years

This is either terrific bait or you are tremendously retarded.

people thought we were fucking over the planet for the next tens of thousands of years for a bit of energy.

In reality it's so little waste that it's not a problem.

Nobody hates Database, he's just annoying. The kid appears very infrequently anyway, I don't believe he's ever been close to centre-stage in any plotline.

Non marxist hippy dippy left liberals in the 1970s sucked so much ruined the American left

Need pure pro nuclear tankies

Underrated

YOU MOTHERFUCKER! LMAO.

Doesn't matter if it's a handful, that place on Earth is now Cancerville for ten thousand years. Seems a bit extreme for some energy.

Communists wanted the west to abandon nuclear power entirely to leave us vulnerable to Soviet attack.
Look up unilateral nuclear disarmament, it's the most retarded shit you can imagine.

I know multiple people who believe that these expensive total bird death machines are a better idea than simply developing our ability to boil water.

Because shes a leftists which means shes retarded

love how she clears the chudcels

steam from the steamed clams we're having

unqualified dei hire

homer is white. unqualified white people are a good thing.

Nigger we are killing the earth now in much more damaging ways

simpsons thread finally without the cancer icecream schizo spammer

guess he finally got banned again

I heard renewables are cheaper.

muh fixed costs

Yeah, better stick with something that has no long term health problems. Like coal!

Because the local plant is run by Mr. Burns, and her own retarded father is it's chief technician.
Why would anyone in Springfield support nuclear power knowing these two things?

And both of those are old as fuck. Those accidents wouldn’t happen on the current tech.

Like bags of sand.

Windmills are so fucking ugly.

im pretty sure he is yellow

Because the russians realized they couldn't afford to keep up with Americas nuclear arms program and needed france and germany to back away from nuclear power so they would have influence over the energy market.

don't build plants for 40 years

finally restart making them, but only 1 a decade

wtf, why do they cost so much

meanwhile they only cost ~$4-12b in other countries

why she is against it is largely irrelevant, but she is quite correct to take that position.

global warming is happening, but not due to greenhouse gasses. look at the absorbtion spectra of co2 and compare with ir emission of heat. now look at water vapor which is 100 times more prevalent in the atmosphere. significantly higher absorbtion.
the answer is population. global temperature follows population growth exactly. plot them. why do you think the city is always hotter? more people.
a person on average runs at 100 watts. an american uses about 5 times with modern conveniences. 60 years ago the average consumption was about 0 watts.

anyway, the point is that to maintain global temperature humans need to use only the energy that the sun grants us each day as provided by god.

using ANY long term energy storage, natural or otherwise, will overheat the planet.
that means coal, oil, gas, even wood. but especially nuclear.
nuclear is actually the worst energy source for global warming.
solar is fine. wind is fine (solar heating produces wind via barometric gradients), hydro is fine (sun powers water cycle). arguably some fast growth sustainable wood burning MIGHT be reasonable.

Libtoids used to be scared of how nuclear waste is dealt with, and this was also just a few years after events like Chernobyl and 3 Mile island that made it seem like nuclear meltdowns were going to happen every 5-10 years. Nowadays libs are way more favorable to nuclear than say, fossil fuels, oil, coal, etc. Hell even things like hydro can have drastic effects on the surrounding ecosystems

Real nuclear power has never been tried

Yes those plants melted down b-but

Chernobyl (which literally cannot happen again because nobody makes reactors anymore with the flaws that were present in the design of those reactors that make it possible for the reactor to explode like a bomb) and the fact that there's only three truly safe waste disposal facilities anywhere on the planet that are rated to be able to hold the waste for at least 10,000 years.

Nuclear could be a fantastic source of energy, it's just that almost nobody wants to invest in the support infrastructure it would require and building new reactors is extremely expensive if you want them to be truly safe. As it stands there's only one nuclear waste disposal facility in the US and it only handles nuclear weapons waste, and Yuma Mountain has been a political boondoggle for more than 30 years and isn't even open or storing any waste at all. As it stands nuclear plants just store all of it on-site either in the cooling pools/ponds or in dry casks, which is why they all have retarded levels of security and are authorized to kill intruders on sight.

Yes, those two happened due to natural dusaster that would level entire LA, and due to most destructive ideology known to man. Both freak cases.

Lisa's retarded ass should be targeting coal plants. THAT is where her arguments make sense.

France went all in on nuclear fifty years ago out of sheer Du Galle contrarianism and they to this day somehow still have the cheapest, most stable and least polluting power grid in the entire developed world

Nobody likes talking about that, not even the French for some reason

why do you think the city is always hotter? more people.

The city is hotter because there's practically nothing that absorbs heat like plants would.

Even a regular reactor design is still safe as long as it doesn't operate with a positive void coefficient like Chernobyl did, because without that having been the case even if they had still gone full retard with the reactor it wouldn't have blown up like a fucking bomb. It just would have melted down on the spot and the contamination would've been contained. Everyone always brings up Chernobyl when you talk about nuclear energy but almost nobody knows what actually happened or why it happened and not even the HBO Max series did a very good job of explaining it, without the reactor having been a cheap shit design and being pushed to its absolute limits with retarded operation being the main culprit for what occurred it wouldn't have exploded. Literally the only people incompetent enough to have made that happen were homo sovieticus and they are no more, and frankly the amount of nuclear material released at Mayak and Baikal makes Chernobyl look like Fukushima.

If the soviets weren't the dumbest goddamn motherfuckers to have ever lived we would have nuclear power everywhere.

How are you in my head?
I was just talking about nuclear power today.

imagine a horde of indians managing nuclear power for 1000 years

If your society makes decisions like this based on the assumption that your population will be replaced by a hoard of indians, then really you're already conceding defeat and you should just kill yourself now to get it over with.

I gotta point out that all of this has been in new debates on the Left in the last week or so because of this book

People brag about how much progressives like FDR did, new power plants, new factories, new highways, new skyscrapers, but there is a powerful and influential faction of the left that is just opposed to everything, it can't be described in any way but anti-human

Some examples that have been floating around include

Austin and San Francisco are both surely leftist dominated cities but Austin has some of the cheapest rents of any urban area while SF has some of the most expensive because for the last decade SF regulators have had a default view of "we're just never going to build another unit of housing again okay"

Senator Reuben Gallego (D-AZ), formerly a darling of the left, claimed that a big reason Trump won was that "Americans dream of owning a big house and a big truck and Democrats lose when we tell them that they're bad people for wanting that" so now he's apparently a Nazi

it can't be described in any way but anti-human

That's the entirety of the left, not just a faction. Not a single leftist is redeemable.

FDR

I suddenly remember the New Deal promising "a chicken in every pot and a car in every garage" and that really won't jive these days because we're all supposed to go vegan and ride trains

Good post. Keep baiting him out, and I'll keep reporting him.

I gave examples. Hell, almost everyone involved in the invention of nuclear power would have been a leftist at the time.

But the cult that believes it's fundamentally evil when a human ever exists or does anything has way too many levers of power now

Because she is a demoralized useful idiot for the Russians and Chinese like all anti nuclear activists.

The most dangerous disaster would be a sudden white flight leaving the reactor in the hands of unskilled browns. Most people don't understand that you don't just turn off a nuclear reactor and be done with it, they take decades of work and a lot of money to decommission, so if they reach a state when corruption or incompetence has to deal with it it's gg. It's also why a real war would likely fuck up a reactor even if nobody targets the reactor, just from the lack of resources.
But hey, we get cheaper crypto mining and AI generation and don't have to deal with the horrors of carbon dioxide feeding our forests.

They should do a Simpsons episode where Lisa meets Greta Thunberg