Was he actually evil? He’s pretty much an idealist intellectual who concluded the Jedi and the republic were hopeless and corrupt
Was he actually evil...
No. He’s basically your average mind broken tankie who hates America so much that he supports shit like ISIS and what not solely to destroy “American hegemony” despite not agreeing with those organizations’ ideologies at all.
It's funny how he's at the same time a great communicator and also can't communicate anything at all.
he's your average state intelligence employee.
The Jedi were evil, they literally used sentient life bred to be slaves as cannon fodder.
The Separatists did literally nothing wrong since they just used robots to fight in an attempt to leave an incredibly incompetent and corrupt republic, that couldn't even protect its own planets when they were in danger.
Lucas really did everything he could to make the Jedi and Republic look as awful as possible. In the EU prior to the prequels it was always assumed the "bad guys" were the ones using clones, not the Republic.
He's a Lucas self insert?
I always thought it was odd how literally none of the Jedi questioned the morality of creating millions of living breathing human beings for the sole purpose of expendable cannon fodder
No. He’s the embodiment of cynicism and how it can be used to manipulate you. It’s a very boomer lib message really.
i thought they werent allowed to write about prequel era stuff before TPM
The Rule of Two shouldn't have existed at all. Dooku should have been the Sith lord and master of Maul in Ep1 who at the end reports to his master who is then revealed as Sheev.
Jar Jar should have been the master. Everyone knows this.
The core of the separatist military is provided by mega-corporations furious at the idea of ever having to follow any laws at all.
You are supposed to get some real "last days of the republic" vibes from the representative of the trade federation getting up and saying that they are allowed to blockade planets, actually.
Sadly the CIS and Dooku are cartoonish evil if you read the lore. Lucas cannot do nuance. Would have been much better if they weren't evil and instead were well-intentioned extremists that had some good points.
That’s a surface level analysis. The Jedi, by allowing themselves to be militarized, essentially destroy their own strength, thus allowing for the Sith to take over the republic right under their noses. The separatists and Dooku were just pawns. The goal was to make the Jedi abandon their passive and defensive ways. Once that happened Sidious was able to do whatever he wanted. Thus why Yoda tells Luke that Jedi only use the force for “knowledge and defense” in the OT.
What you said is correct but the CIS is still cartoonish evil when it didn't need to be.
They were designed to enjoy killing and being killed though, so it's fine.
Was he actually evil?
Yes
He’s pretty much an idealist intellectual who concluded the Jedi and the republic were hopeless and corrupt
Besides that, he was also evil
They were only allowed to vaguely reference it, when they did the clones were always seen as the slaves of hostile invaders fighting the republic.
The republic is so corrupt there's basically no laws already, and even if they wanted to enforce the laws they couldn't because they don't even have a citizen army.
It's way worse than the last days of the Roman Republic, that it's supposed to be based on, since for all its faults the Roman Republic still had an army. The Republic is more like the end of the Roman Empire when recruitment dropped to near zero allowing invaders to ransack the entirety of the western provinces.
Clone Wars Filsonislop isn’t canon. He was prepared to kill the emperor in episode 3.
so basically what you're saying is he hates the kike overlords?
It was supposed to be post 9/11 America. That’s why Anakin goes full Bush with the whole “if you’re not with me you’re my enemy” shit.
manipulating your cannonfodder slaves to be psychopaths is fine
This is what Jeditards actually defend.
I think it’s weird that Lucas, a draft dodger , imagined space Vietnam as a war between soulless robots and retarded child soldiers
If it was about America and secession, you'd think it would be about the Civil War, but in this case it'd be the North that has the slaves (clones) and the South (Separatists/Confederates) that just wants to leave.
He's got no actual personality so who knows? It's just Christopher Lee in a costume in front of a greenscreen.
Nooooooooooooo you can't die mindlessly in a war you have to live
But actually I want to die and I really enjoy warfare, I'm happy to do it! I am fulfilling my purpose!
You can't, you can't because... you just you can't okay you can't.
Only sith deal in absolutes bitch
That makes you a sith tho
Nice absolute
Yeah, you can tell the Banking Clan, Techno Union and Trade Federation are evil by the way they totally chimp out about the thinnest, loosest possible "oversight".
mindraping people from birth to enjoy being cannonfodder and die by the millions is a good thing
So is anything the Sith do even bad at this point?
the rebellion was space vietnam
Clone Wars
nobody is talking about clone wars
Filsonislop isn’t canon
true, but i'm not talking about disney star wars either
He was prepared to kill the emperor in episode 3
when? where? how? regardless, he's a sith, of course he craves to take his master's spot. so what?
Yeah they try to force their will on others
force their will on others
Just like brainwashing some clone to want to be cannonfodder
has an apprentice who does what he tells her to do, and she does evil things
has a guy named general grievous lead his armies, who does what he tells him to do, who does evil things
hurr durr is dooky evil????
Yeah. But the point of the PT is to show how flawed the jedi order was so having them say "should we really be doing this?" would ruin that message.
I always thought it was odd how literally none of the Jedi questioned the morality of creating millions of living breathing human beings for the sole purpose of expendable cannon fodder
what makes you think the jedi don't question the morality of it? the jedi don't have a say in the matter. you should be questioning how the entire senate doesn't mind giving power to the chancellor to use those living beings that way
But the point of the PT is to show how flawed the jedi order was
LMAO that's not the point of the PT. the jedi were betrayed, that's one of the main points of the movies. the idea that the PT is a criticism against the jedi is just fan revisionism, specially disney fans
the sith are manipulative and egocentric people, so they still adhere to the rule of two even if they have a secret apprentice who isn't yet a "sith". it's like when pieces of shit cheat in relationships by making a fake breakup, so they technically weren't cheating.
He was xenophobic and wanted to make a sith empire in the novelisation.
Was he a midwit?
literally me
the idea that the PT is a criticism against the jedi is just fan revisionism
This! You only need to listen to Lucas himself to know that