Fast projectiles are blocked but not slow ones

This scene bothered me when I first saw it. "Why didn't they just use the lasebeams at the start" I pondered to myself. Now I know it's because the Helothopterinos had shields and they couldn't take the risk of accidentally laserbeaming the shield. I was stupid. But not anymore.

Why don't they wear stab proof vests under their shields to become unkillable??

Couldn't they use guns that shoot bullets just below the speed blocking limit?

Why don't they wear stab proof vests under their shields to become unkillable??

Because Herbert didn't think through the second order consequences of shields.

what do you think those stun darts they used on paul's faggot ass dad who got buck broke were?

Lasguns react with shields to create a pseudo-atomic explosion. Most Fremen don't wear shields because it attracts the Worms but if the Empire used them, you can bet the Fremen will start to wear shields out of spite. Remember, the Empire needs Arrakis for the Spice. Having it glassed is not a good thing (it did get glassed hundreds of years later).

Then you become less agile and could be outmaneuvered.

whats the excuse for swords in Red Rising, Halo?

The ability to turn a blade allows you to act more aggressively than you would if any blow hurts, there's a very good reason that people wore armour.

Why doesn’t everyone just use those guns then?

Did Paul use lasgun/shield to blast the shield wall or family nukes?
You'd think lasgun thing would be used by tons of suiciders

Because they were trying to take prisoners, they were there trying to get hostages to use against paul because the emperor knew who he was at that point, and knew he was completely fucked if anyone ever found out the emperor helped one house take out another since that's anathema to the whole neo-feudalism government they had.
Its why all the families had atomics, by themselves no one was strong enough to overthrow the emperor, and use against other houses was forbidden, but they were there because all of them together could nuke the imperial house into ash if there was ever just cause for it.

He used the nukes to blow up the rockface behind the shield wall that then threw up rocks that fell on the shield thus then rendering it inoperable.

Imagine how cool a Butlerian jihad movie would be but never will because of current moviemaker culture

You haven't read the book carefully enough, and therefore shouldn't speak lest you mislead others
The Harkonnens did use shields on Arrakis according to the book

“The Harkonnens certainly used plenty of shields here,” Hawat said. “They had repair depots in every garrison village, and their accounts show a heavy expenditure for shield replacements and parts"

We know quite well that Fremen don't wear shields in the open desert from multiple sources, and that there is also no evidence of them in sietches, etc.
Hell, even Duke Leto threatens to cut the carryall apart with the lasgun on his thopter if the crew don't get off
The point of all this is that Herbert created a nonsense problem for himself that can't be sensibly resolved. If we take away the notion of hunting obviously-unshielded people in the open desert, there's no reason the Sardaukar wouldn't use conventional weapons, and Herbert even had to handwave away Rabban keeping the artillery because reasons (uh yeah, we need the metal, they're useless now)

How shitty will Dune Messiah be now that Villaneuve has totally fucked up Chani's character which is central to the plot?

yeah it drives worms mad doesn't it

Fremen make their knives specifically from the teeth of a sand worm. In the books they use all kinds of weapons, shields don't work well in the desert, and when they do its bait for every worm that can hear it, so it levels that playing field. But the fremen don't have the shield training to start with.

it's because they were trying to take prisoners

Because using carrier jets as flamethrowers is more target-discriminating than lasguns? That's so retarded you should be ashamed of even thinking it

why don't they use icethrowers?

it's the desert

They had "maula pistols" in the book which were somewhat effective against shields, but most of the action is omitted from the books, in my head I always just imagined them as like a pirate pistol/blunderbuss kind of thing that you just got inside the shield and blasted them in half at point blank range.

Shields would logically cause a resurgence in plate armour. For some reason armour of any kind is totally absent in Dune and everyone is effectively going into vicious massed melee battles naked.

it's the desert

a negro in arrakis

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Every person who goes out into the desert on Arrakis has standard issue bodysuits that regulate their body's water and temperature, covered in the literal first act of every Dune movie released thus far.
Anything else, retard?

Because they were doing that as they were escaping.
They rolled in big dick swinging thinking it was going to be a simple extraction and learned to late that fremen women and children know how to fight as well as the men, and now you're in their maze like warren, and they also have a low-grade collective consciousness. They were also in the deep south since they had abandoned the northern sietches, so there was plenty of attrition along the way.
But yeah, the whole point of the fremen is that 1v1 they're better fighters than anyone else, even the imperial elite commandos.

I agree and the next logical think would be to start sneaking in jihad self exploding suiciders to wipe out massive armies or for strategies and then people would start using shield detectors and it would get meta but you dont see this (from the movies theyve made idk if its in the later books)

science fiction

everyone knows laser guns exist

starwars: badass special people can deflect it

dune: shields will kill everyone involved

why must scifi try to force people into melee

The reason you don't intentionally cause lasgun/shield reactions is because its basically a nuclear explosion, and intentionally doing that invites all the other houses to retaliate and strip you of everything they can.
Also open warfare isn't a very common thing, the armies of the houses are basically house guards. Harkonnen run a hyperindustrialized police state that swings economic power, the Atreides draw their influence from the ancient greek kings and they have more soft power in that they're well respected by other houses.

because guns are gay and unkino

I understand that im not fucking retarded. But people would push extremes, break the rules, and do crazy shit for power grabs. You like all the autistic fans of this franchise just love to suppose everyones going to play by your imaginary rules, none of this tech has ever existed in any human history of any kingdom and youre pretending everyone would just respect the political order because nukes r bad. You could do a power grab in the time it takes for news to travel across space, you could rely on the fact that not everyone has spice and do anything I mentioned, but youre operating under the premise everyone would be playing by the rules. Like during the harkonen betrayal on atredis all it takes is one soldier near death fed up with his state of being to kill everyone and... no one does that. Yeah ok. Totally.

The projectile ammunition in red rising basically doesn’t penetrate their magic super strong gold people armor and the super sharp science swords do. Same shit different method.

counterpoint sniperkino

then they could use icecreamthrowers

In the case of dune its because the books are heavily influenced by classic plays, the big battles happen off stage, and occasionally you'll have two guys smashing wood swords together while delivering dialogue.
I mean look at henry V, he gives the St. Crispen's day speech, charges off with his men, end scene. Next scene he's in the aftermath telling the french messenger rolls up again to concede the battle.
You don't need the mindless action.
It also means you have situations where your protagonist and antagonist are face to face having a literal and metaphorical struggle against each other because historically in a duel god makes sure the person who is in the right will prevail. So not only do you get the hero winning by deed an action, the power of friendship, and all that shit, but its also trial by combat, so "god" is telling you the good guy was obviously right.

Fire is essentially kinetics energy

so the shield would block wind in a hurricane? would it stop a water gun?

Anon, the vast majority of the books aren't about space battles. There is chapter after chapter explaining all the ways that control is maintained.
Its like complaining about why the eagles didn't fly frodo to mordor, and then complain when people explain why the fucking eagles couldn't fly them to mordor.
Beyond all of that, a big throughline of the series is how prescience locks that future into existence. The navigators using heroic doses of spice to safely fold space have frozen the entire human race into a downward spiral of "safety."
When paul takes his dose of spice and becomes prescient he looks into the future, trying to find a way through everything, and ends up locking the universe into the golden path. Its a major conceit of the setting, the burden of prescience. Dune messiah is all about it, children of dune is all about it, and god emperor is all about the keikaku to break humanity free from the cycle once and for all.

would it stop a water gun?

In the setting rich people use shield generators to make umbrellas.
The real question is, would a thopter be able to generate lift inside the shield?

shield chastity belt won't save you from slow methodical rape

what if you put a shield on a worm i bet that would make it really mad haha

because red rising is shit

Again, it makes incalculably more sense if no one has access to advanced weaponry. Lasguns and conventional rifles would shit on people with knives and no shields
Want to take prisoners? Collapse the sietch with explosives, pump in gas, etc.
Also in the vein of , yet another issue with the lasgun shield explosion is that there's ultimately no way to prove who caused it, and further no one's going to obliterate Arrakis at the time of Dune 1 because everyone is dependent on the spice, which is why Paul's threat works in the first place

Someones attempt to make bladed weapons matter in the future. Concept is cool, should have just made it so knives can have a similar coating as the force fields do, and thats why they can get through

Now I know it's because the Helothopterinos had shields and they couldn't take the risk of accidentally laserbeaming the shield.

That fact is never established in the movie.

guns are unkin-ACK

no one has access to advanced weaponry

No one really does except the great houses, and they're all bound by law and self interest to behave according to the rules.
Consider that the rules also have formal and ritualistic ways for great houses to go to war with eachother without needing to show up and conquer territory.
The people in the great and minor houses lived in a sci-fi world, most of the rest of the people are basically just serfs and peasants. There's not a lot of upward mobility.
You have a situation where you have peasant revolts with pitch forks against doods with the laser guns.
Seriously, read the books, they're good. The vast majority of the books have a lot of monologues and meditations about all kinds of things, and its dealing with big time scales.
The bene gesserit and the tielaxu both figure out how to maintain a continuous memory across long time spans. The BG by passing on their other memory at death, and in their head they have access to all the memories of their female ancestors. The tielaxu masters use duncan to figure out how to unlock memories in a ghola, and they figure out how to clone themselves with all of their memories intact.
Leto II tells the bene gesserit, through elaborate means, that he expects them to inherit the stewardship of the human race because the other memory gives them the ability to think and plan on timescales that individual humans never could.
He just had to teach them a 10,000 year history in humility first.

posts the gayest thing guns have ever been involved in

Don’t think tranquilizer dart velocities would be very effective in a battlefield

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